Tribe.net. Local Connections evilgrrl http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/39085853-dfac-4406-990a-f518907f2c5d 2008-06-12T07:01:47Z 2008-06-12T07:01:47Z

<div>Great interview with Jenny Block, who just wrote a book on open marriage/polyamory. Her actual website is: http://www.jennyonthepage.com/index.html <br/> <br/>Three's Company: Jenny Block Q&amp;A <br/>(5/21/2008) <br/> <br/> <br/>A former Richmond writer lets the world in on her (not so) dirty little secret <br/> <br/>Jenny Block is a writer who didn’t have to look far for compelling material. Her new book, Open: Love, Sex and Life in an Open Marriage, chronicles her private struggle to find common ground between conventional marriage and her own, less conventional sexual identity. <br/> <br/>After much emotional trial and error, Block and her husband agreed on an arrangement that kept them happily married: she would have a girlfriend. Though the real-life love story sometimes reads like a blend of Desperate Housewives, Sex and the City and The L Word, it becomes clear that all the risqué drama leads to domestic bliss. <br/> <br/>Ultimately, the 37-year-old Block’s message is that marriage comes in all sizes and shapes. Hers just happens to be a triangle. <br/> <br/>Q: At what point did you feel the need to write about your private life? <br/>A: About three years ago, I started searching the Internet and bookstores trying to find some information for myself. I wasn’t finding what I was looking for, but I was finding a lot of people out in the cyber-universe who were having conversations about these relationships and searching the same way I was. There were a lot of negatives out there that didn’t seem to be based in any kind of fact. So, even though it was scary, it seemed like there was something to be gained by putting a sort of girl-next-door face on something that I think is very natural and normal and average. <br/> <br/>Q: How did your husband and then-girlfriend feel about it? <br/>A: They were really supportive, and that’s what pushed me over the edge. My husband is very shy and quiet and totally the opposite of me, so if he was supporting me in it, then I felt really good about it. <br/> <br/>Q: How do you handle the situation with your daughter? <br/>A: It’s such a non-issue, because at her age [9 years old], she doesn’t really know anything about sex, and she doesn’t have any understanding that a lot of people connect marriage with sex or that there’s this rule about loving only one person. In her life, she loves lots of people. So that makes sense to her. We’ve always had people over. Whatever “best friend” I’ve had at the time has always come and hung out. She wouldn’t know the difference between any person’s roles. I liken it to other people’s private sexual lives and the way they keep it private from their children. <br/> <br/>Q: What did your parents think? <br/>A: My dad is a rabbi, and he’s very liberal and open. We’ve always talked about everything, but not sex in particular. But I came to my dad with this the same way I go to him for everything. I went to him on an intellectual level and said, “I need to know what you think about non-monogamous relationships.” He said, “I think they’re much more natural and more people would like to have them.” So I knew I was in a good spot. And when I told him, he couldn’t be any more unfazed. My mom’s only reaction was, “Just make sure you’re all talking and communicating and that everyone is happy and on the same page.” <br/> <br/>Q: What’s the trickiest part of focusing on two people in a relationship? <br/>A: I guess it’s the same as any kind of juggling — two jobs, two things to write, two children. In some ways I feel like I’m a better partner because I’m a hypersensitive partner. I cannot be careless with either of them. There’s too much at stake. I thought one partner was more difficult. This just seems to make sense to me. I understand that not everybody gets that, and I appreciate that. I don’t think this is for everyone, and I’m not prescribing it for other people. Yes, it’s hard. Is it any harder than a monogamous relationship? I think all relationships between human beings are tough. <br/> <br/>Q: Since you’ve decided to be exclusive with your girlfriend and your husband, do you think the term “open marriage” still applies? <br/>A: I wish I knew. The language is one of the biggest problems. When I first started talking about this open marriage, people were like, “Oh, you’re swingers? You go to sex parties?” And I was like, “Whoa, whoa, whoa … OK, we are obviously not down with the lingo.” We’re not saying what we mean to be saying. Is it still appropriate? I don’t know. I use it for lack of a better word. <br/> <br/>There was a book in the ’70s, called Open Marriage, by a couple, the O’Neills. Two pages in that book talk about sex. What they were [mostly] talking about was maintaining your individuality, being open and honest with each other. So I’d like to think we’re part of that “open marriage” movement. <br/> <br/>There are people who have all these interesting permutations of who they have romantic love relationships with, who they have family partnering relationships with and who they have sexual relationships with … It’s people trying to figure out something that people have been trying to figure out since the dawn of time, which is how to live and be happy and navigate relationships and sex and love — all the hardest and best parts of life. <br/> <br/>Q: Do you identify with the gay community? <br/>A: One hundred percent. I hate all the boxes and identifying, but if you ask me, I say I’m bisexual. I wrote the book in a gay coffee shop. You know, the gay community figured this stuff out a long time ago. In some ways because gays and lesbians can’t get married, that community has made up their own rules. If you’re not “allowed” to do traditional marriage, then “What is this relationship? How do we define it? What does this mean?” <br/> <br/>Q: Your arrangement seems to scare some people. What do you think they’re afraid of? <br/>A: I think they’re afraid of a couple things. Remember when you were in elementary school and you would chew a piece of gum in class? That one girl who always sat in the front row would catch you, and she’d tell on you. I remember thinking, “Why do you have to tell on me? I wasn’t bothering you. I wasn’t bothering anybody.” It’s almost like, “If I have to follow the rules and be miserable, then so do you.” And that makes me really sad. I think some people are so indoctrinated with their religion or morality or whatever [that] if they let go of that for one split second, their entire universe would come tumbling down. I mean, imagine if I’m on to something. Imagine if I’m “right.” What would that mean? —Pete Humes <br/> <br/>http://www.richmondmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&amp;nm=&amp;type=news&amp;mod=News&amp;mid=9A02E3B96F2A415ABC72CB5F516B4C10&amp;tier=3&amp;nid=BEBEC0BA54214E1DA53ED1FA4D959622</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

evilgrrl 2008-06-12T07:01:47Z Alan http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/91f99613-ca68-4f0d-a1d4-c20b2ee57850 2008-06-07T07:39:25Z 2008-06-06T22:13:51Z

<div>I've written reviews of the three new (and very different) polyamory and open marriage books that have just come out: <br/>http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/2008/06/three-new-poly-books.html <br/> <br/>They are <br/>*The Polyamory Handbook* by Peter J. Bensen <br/>*Open* by Jenny Block <br/>*Opening* Up by Tristan Taormino <br/> <br/>Enjoy. <br/> <br/>Alan M.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 2 replies </div>

Alan 2008-06-06T22:13:51Z Phil http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/9ba54b03-7ed9-4863-a54d-6d9ce846d124 2008-05-26T20:52:28Z 2008-05-26T20:52:28Z

<div>Tomorrow night May 27---The Kiss of Fire, the ABC's of Branding <br/> <br/>At the SF Citadel <br/>1277 Mission Street <br/>San Francisco, Ca 94103 <br/> <br/>8:00 PM to 10:30 PM <br/>Doors open at 7:30 PM <br/> <br/>Admission $20.00 <br/> <br/>Ever wonder what it's like to brand or be branded? <br/> <br/>This evening, the renowned Fakir explores the history, myths and realities of this exotic practice. Fakir will demonstrate practical ways Misters and Mistresses can permanently imprint their subject by fire-direct, multiple strike and electro-cautery tools and techniques. <br/> <br/>The class will include a vivid slide show of brands being done, results and how-to information on the making and application of "The Kiss of Fire". <br/> <br/>Fakir will do several live brands on volunteers. <br/> <br/>Volunteers are requested for the demos. Interested? <br/> <br/>Contact Fakir Directly at: Fakir@fakir.org <br/> <br/>For more information on this dynamic and world renown presenter/teacher and recent inductee into the Society of Janus Hall of Fame, visit his web site at www.fakir.org.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

Phil 2008-05-26T20:52:28Z Alexyana http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/38276b79-7dc8-459f-866b-612c98dfe156 2008-05-21T01:23:52Z 2008-05-21T01:23:52Z

<div>just curious</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

Alexyana 2008-05-21T01:23:52Z Alan http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/b370aa57-6b83-45fc-86b6-d0f91bde29ad 2008-05-18T17:22:34Z 2008-05-18T17:22:34Z

<div>If you haven't been reading Polyamory in the News (http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/) in the last three months, here's some of what you missed: <br/> <br/>** "Internet Pushes Polyamory to its Tipping Point". If this Wired Magazine writer is right, the bandwagon is starting to roll downhill ahead of us. Should we quit just pushing and run up and grab the steering wheel? <br/> <br/>** Redbook, Glamour, and Marie Claire magazines -- the things your aunt reads at the hairdresser -- all offer remarkably positive profiles of open and polyamorous marriages in their June issues. <br/> <br/>** Jenny Block, whose book on her poly life comes out in a couple weeks, becomes a columnist for the Huffington Post. She asks us for our topic suggestions. <br/> <br/>** Time magazine devotes four pages to the bonobo culture wars (waged in the Wall Street Journal and alternative culture, not among the apes themselves). Yes, Time concludes, the critters really do have something big to teach us about human possibilities. <br/> <br/>** When Tilda Swinton won an Oscar her poly relationship raised much buzz, which she handled with aplomb. <br/> <br/>** The Tilda Swinton buzz got Polyamory Weekly podcaster Cunning Minx a nice writeup in her hometown Chicago paper. And that got her on Chicago radio, to take on a couple of dumb morning talk jocks. <br/> <br/>** Loving More magazine is back. <br/> <br/>** "Gleaned through work with my clients and a series of in-depth interviews," writes a New York therapist, "I offer you some examples of non-monogamous relationships, the elements that have them be workable, the challenges that come along with them, and the reasons why the people have chosen to set up their lifestyles and love-styles thus." <br/> <br/>** Akien MacIain, in a poly-versus-mono discussion on the radio: "In the beginning there was God. And God was infinite and knew everything, except what it was to be finite. So one day God split itself up into zillions of little bits and commanded them all forget that they were one, and to go figure out what it was to be finite. And so we are all those little bits of God the infinite, learning what is to be finite." Not what the mono side expected? <br/> <br/>** Voice of America TV, in a global news broadcast, plays it down the middle. <br/> <br/>** Poly 101 advice for Staten Island. <br/> <br/>** Deep in the Bible Belt, a founder of Focus On Christ Ministries denounces polyamory as depraved -- and one of our people, trained by the Jesuits, returns a Biblical reply. Save this for discussions with your Christian relatives. <br/> <br/>** And finally, best of all: the Washington Post covered Loving More's Poly Living Conference with a long feature article. Never mind the mild snarks and cringe-makers. This is the deepest, truest-to-life article about us that I recall in the bigtime media. <br/> <br/>------------------ <br/> <br/>Here's the site: http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/ . The 10 most recent items are up front. Look in the recent monthly archives for more. The archives are also sorted by subject and, in some cases, location. <br/> <br/>I've done 209 of these reports in the last three years. I hope you have as much fun browsing them as I did creating them. <br/> <br/>Cheers, <br/> <br/>Alan M. <br/> <br/>P.S.: If you're on LiveJournal, you can friend the LJ feed for the site: <br/>http://syndicated.livejournal.com/polymedia</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

Alan 2008-05-18T17:22:34Z Chewey http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/5ede16e9-51f6-4265-b7fe-eba844104078 2008-05-02T00:09:26Z 2008-05-02T00:09:26Z

<div>Loving More Loving Choices A Relationship Seminar <br/>Presented by <br/>Loving More Non-profit Organization <br/>303-543-7540 <br/>Saturday May 10, 2008 <br/>Santa Fe , New Mexico <br/>Holiday Inn <br/>8:00am-6:00pm <br/>Deadline for Early Registration, May 1, is almost here. <br/> <br/>Loving More, the host of the longest running polyamory conferences, is <br/>pleased to announce a new one day Seminar Series Loving Choices focused <br/>on choosing what is right for you. Loving More brings over 22 years of <br/>experience in teaching skills of alternative relating. Who says that <br/>love has to follow a specific set of rules that limit how you love <br/>others? Why pretend to be someone your not? Do you feel like you <br/>can't be your honest self? Are you already involved in a <br/>polyamorous relationship and looking to improve your relationship <br/>skills? We invite you to attend Loving Choices seminar and learn ways <br/>to enjoy being your authentic self. <br/> <br/>Loving More is excited to bring this amazing seminar series for the <br/>first time to New Mexico . <br/> <br/>Workshops by <br/> <br/>New Mexico's own Mim Chapman Ph.D. <br/> <br/>Loving More Managing Editor Robyn Trask <br/> <br/>Sex Educator Amira Rain <br/> <br/>Loving More Board member Jesus Garcia <br/> <br/>Workshops include a variety of important relationship topics including <br/>Safe Sex, Communication and agreements that work, exploring the variety <br/>of relationship choices, Myers-Brigs personality model and much more. <br/>What you will learn <br/>* New models beyond marriage and monogamy <br/>* Communication Skills <br/>* Being real and honest about what you need and want <br/>* Making Agreements that work for you <br/>* Dating finding people of like mind <br/>* Managing Emotions and Jealousy <br/>* Enjoying pleasure and letting go of shame <br/>* Poly Living styles knowing what you want <br/>* Polyamory 101 <br/> <br/> <br/>Who Should Attend <br/>* those seeking to improve their polyamorous relationships and <br/>deepen their connections with partners, <br/>* people new to or exploring polyamory as a possible choice in their <br/>personal relationships <br/>* Therapists, counselors and others who work in the relationship <br/>field. <br/>* Those who are looking to better their relationships with new <br/>points of view. <br/>Evening Party with Live Entertainment <br/>Following the Seminar is an optional Loving More celebration and <br/>evening social. This is a chance to meet and socialize with other poly <br/>friendly people. Food, beverages (non-alcoholic), and live musical <br/>entertainment provided. <br/>REGISTRATION INFORMATION Full Day (9:00am-6:00pm) Buffet Lunch <br/>included <br/> <br/> <br/>Seminar &amp; Evening Social <br/> <br/>Seminar Only <br/> <br/>Pre-registered (by 5/1/08) ** Extended to May 5, 2008 for online only*** <br/> <br/>$125 <br/> <br/>$110 <br/> <br/>At the door <br/> <br/>$130 <br/> <br/>$110 <br/>Half Day (limited availability, no lunch) Morning (9:00am-1:00pm) or <br/>Afternoon (2:00pm-6:00pm) <br/> <br/> <br/>Seminar &amp; Evening Social <br/> <br/>Seminar Only <br/> <br/>Pre-registered (by 05/1/08) ** Extended to May 5, 2008 for online only*** <br/> <br/>$85 <br/> <br/>$65 <br/> <br/>At the door <br/> <br/>$95 <br/> <br/>by arrangement <br/>Social only <br/>Pre-registered $30 Loving More members receive a 10% discount on <br/>the seminar. <br/>$25 Cancellation Fee - No Refunds After May 2, 2008 <br/> <br/>Space is limited and pre-registration is highly recommended. Call <br/>before showing up at the door as we might to sell out. <br/>Register online at www.lovemore.com &amp;lt;www.lovemore.com/> or call <br/>303-543-7540 <br/> <br/> <br/>Loving More Non-Profit Organization. <br/>PO BOX 4358 <br/>Boulder, CO 80306 <br/>www.lovemore.com &amp;lt;www.lovemore.com/> <br/> <br/>© 2008 Loving More Non-Profit Organization. All Rights Reserved</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

Chewey 2008-05-02T00:09:26Z lolagawdhuny http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/536e52a9-0d05-40dd-a7e3-9cbcc464c012 2008-04-23T19:52:35Z 2008-02-24T04:14:59Z

<div> <br/>Is there a list of questions [someplace] about open relationships to ask a partner [and yourself] to get on the same page? Are there basic aspects of open relationships that should be sussed out before diving in [do's and don'ts]? Are there some decriptions for different types of open relationship models that can serve as guidance without labeling them as "the rule" so much as pros and cons of each? <br/> <br/>Yes a load of questions, but this is the place I think... <br/> <br/>It would help if the response was in a bulleted format, a list of questions or a reference referral for a good source would be the response...not a long personal statement... [just a suggestion]. <br/> <br/>thanks </div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 4 replies </div>

lolagawdhuny 2008-02-24T04:14:59Z Angel_Wylde http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/5a499679-7841-456c-92ac-a3675e7db46a 2008-04-21T07:06:05Z 2008-04-15T20:31:35Z

<div>*sigh* alright, here's the deal. I'm generally one of the ones giving the advice, I'd hope well. This time though, I'm at the end of my rope. I don't know what to do to deal with this situation, and if I don't ask for some help soon there's the possibility I will handle things totally wrong. <br/> <br/>Reading my profile and such, you get the impression that my wife and I are very open people. The fact is, this is only half... well let's call it 3/4 true. <br/> <br/>I love my girl. I love her like the Sun come down from the sky. That said, there is a growing rift starting which unless I get it checked one way or the other is gonna do us in. I'll explain. <br/> <br/>While I've got alot of history in sex-positivity, deviant behavior in general. It has historically been almost impossible for me to maintain a sheerly vanilla monogamous relationship. I think it's important to note (not trying to be egotistical) that if I set my mind to it, I am almost razor sharp at seduction. I spent 2 years as a pleasure slave, learning everything from how to do makeup on any ethnicity in the world to bringing a woman to orgasm with nothing but the muscles vibrating in my throat. (hard to explain, harder to teach. lol) I mention it's easy, because it being easy makes the entire situation harder. <br/> <br/>Linz, while having her own wild side in her youth was more along the lines of your typical drug-induced deviant-high-school-sex kinda thing. To her, while she indulged me more than once, that was a phase she's done with. My first hot-button here is that due to that fact it's terribly difficult to deal with the fact that she can't share in what has been my lifestyle in one way or another for a loooong long time. <br/> <br/>I'm starting to freak out, juuuust a little. I've toned myself down as much as I could. I've suppressed everything from my very certain bisexuality to my tenancy toward the Grey area that lies somewhere between polyamoury and swinging. This has been an issue between us for quite some time. In the beginning, Linz was down for the occasional playtime with a guy/girl/both kinda thing. Still, it came up quite a bit that I'm comfortable in quite a different zone relationship wise than we're currently at. <br/> <br/>In the past, jabs were traded, but short of that no resolution was really reached. Time goes by, I keep quiet until I'm about to explode, I try and draw her out, it gets swept under the rug, repeat. <br/> <br/>The reason this is more complex than a simple resolve-communicate-or-leave kind of scenario is that in every way... EVERY WAY other than this we're perfectly matched. No deviant encounter has ever led me to a girl I felt as well matched with. <br/> <br/>Still, this is my life, this is my personality. I feel resentment growing as I continue to deny this part of my personality, this part of myself. <br/> <br/>I've tried to discuss this with people before, most notably my best friend. She commenced to freak out on me due to a year-old threesome we'd all had, and we're now no longer friends. <br/> <br/>Just pointing out, that so far all this situation has done for me is take. It's taking my sanity bit by bit. I'm getting a shorter and shorter fuze about the subject, and it's even cost me one of the most important relationships in my life. <br/> <br/>In the past, I would just start cheating. You can judge me all you like for that. To me, it's a matter of getting by. However, as you can probably imagine that leads to eventual discovery and disaster. I've been down this road a few times with significant others. Cheating or no, this will eventually overwhelm us. <br/> <br/>I just don't know what to do, or to say, to anyone. I could continue the way I am and wait until it's too much and I wrap myself around someone who gets the one part of me my partner doesn't. I could put my foot down and what will likely happen is she will aquiese, at least occasionally, just for my sake, for awhile. Neither of those options are really acceptable to me, but for the life of me I can't find a third. <br/> <br/>So I put it to you, perfect strangers. My friends have failed me. My almost macchiavellian ability to agument any relationship with it's missing parts elsewhere is just not good enough for me anymore. <br/> <br/>I'm lost. No solution in the past will work here, and I'm fresh out of ideas. I'm frustrated to the point of rage, and feel the time coming where I will sabotage anything just to save something. If linz is part of that everything I may as well fall on my sword right now. <br/> <br/>It's maddening, to match someone so perfectly in all but one way. <br/> <br/>Especially when it's this. <br/> <br/>PS: I'm cross posting this like mad, so you may see it again. I need an idea, an answer. Hope for my situation. Otherwise, I'm not exactly sure I won't become ground zero, and everyone left in my life become casualties.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 1 reply </div>

Angel_Wylde 2008-04-15T20:31:35Z tln http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/9775b6fa-6759-4b5b-91b1-20bcae34b7b0 2008-04-06T15:10:18Z 2008-02-28T18:03:18Z

<div>I'm in need of advice regarding my situation with my wife and our poly lifestyle. At the moment my wife is in a dyad with another man, which is great! She's very happy with him and she and I are doing great on that front. She isn't really into triads / threesomes etc of any type at the moment and prefers to do one on one relationships; that's great too! So, basically I kind of feel like a single man in the poly world, if that makes any sense, since my wife isn't into looking with me. <br/> <br/>I'm finding it difficult because I'm basically pretty bold and so, I ask women out when I can, some of whom are open to the fact that I'm poly (I always tell them before any formal date, what's going on for me). Thing is, am I barking up the wrong tree by asking people out that I find interesting, even if they are not Poly (or don't know that they are)? LOL, I guess you can see, I'm a bit confused about how to approach things. I seem to shy away, especially, from asking out a married woman, probably because I feel strange wanting to just date her and not her and her husband. I would prefer either 2 F and myself or just 1 F; the 2 guy one girl thing isn't my bag so much (at least right now) since I'm straight. <br/> <br/>This is strange, I feel like I have all the rights of a single man, like I was before I was married, but, things are much different, of course being married and, due to social norms etc. I'm interested, really, in forming a significant relationship but some casual fun is totally cool too, but I have to feel a connection to the person. <br/> <br/>Does location make a difference in this regard (bigger cites and / or geographical locations)? <br/>Do most people seek out like minded people via groups of like mind? <br/>Have people had any success with people who were not poly before you met them? <br/>Do women in general tend to shy away from someone in my situation? <br/> <br/>Thanks for you input : ) BTW, I'm fairly new to the lifestyle so forgive the NOOBIE stuff :P <br/> <br/>TL. -- Salt Lake City, UT.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 2 replies </div>

tln 2008-02-28T18:03:18Z Henry http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/73ddba9f-e679-482f-8842-9de78907e24f 2008-02-28T07:44:26Z 2008-02-28T07:44:26Z

<div>HI, <br/> My two ladies and I are doing a group hand fasting and wanted to know if you guys knew any good ply love type songs that would fit .</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

Henry 2008-02-28T07:44:26Z Alan http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/01fcf8ef-be00-4937-9b97-10c944c0b318 2008-02-14T02:32:35Z 2008-02-14T02:32:35Z

<div> <br/>If you haven't been reading Polyamory in the News (http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/) in the last three months, here's some of what you missed: <br/> <br/>** Today's Washington Post (Feb. 13) has a HUGE feature article on Loving More's Poly Living conference, held in early February. (I was there! Yay!) The article is remarkably perceptive and insightful. This is Big Time Stuff, getting talked about all over. Copy and save this one. <br/> <br/>** Is the poly-vs-swinging debate finally settling itself? On both sides of this cultural divide, people seem to be deciding that it's a continuous spectrum on which you can position yourself where you wish. This takes on new relevance as swinging goes through an upsurge of mainstream attention -- which will increase when the primetime CBS-TV drama "Swingtown" debuts. <br/> <br/>** For a couple opening up to poly, well-thought-out relationship agreements are a fine idea. But be prepared to outgrow them. In particular, don't get snagged by the Symbol Over Substance Mistake. <br/> <br/>** "An Open and Shut Marriage" in the New York Times is a study in how not to try. How many blunders can you count here? Please -- research what other people have learned before setting out to reinvent this often difficult wheel. In the last 25 years the poly community has accumulated, through trial and error, a substantial body of wisdom. <br/> <br/>** A chain of New Age magazines decides to spread a bit of this wisdom, in "Love Big." <br/> <br/>** "Why is polyamory offensive? ...The most telling reason is that it makes people explore their own relationships and the fears that reside within...." <br/> <br/>** A couple in Florida, brimming to share what they've found, announce Poly 101 workshops for the public and get nicely written up in their local paper. Maybe you can too. <br/> <br/>** Rachel Kramer Bussell, a leading erotica author, wrestles with the Case for Open Relationships. "Polyamory is not a panacea; if you think you'll cure any and all sexual longings or be free of jealousy simply by taking on new partners, you're probably in for a rude awakening." <br/> <br/>** Plus bunches of positive coverage in Spain (with TV-news video), Norway, Germany.... <br/> <br/>------------------ <br/> <br/>Here's the site: http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/ . The 10 most recent items are up front. Look in the recent monthly archives for more. The archives are also sorted by subject and, in some cases, location. <br/> <br/>I've done 184 of these reports in the last two and a half years. I hope you have as much fun browsing them as I did creating them. <br/> <br/>Cheers, <br/> <br/>Alan <br/> <br/>P.S.: If you're on LiveJournal, you can friend the LJ feed for the site: <br/>http://syndicated.livejournal.com/polymedia</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

Alan 2008-02-14T02:32:35Z Monique http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/3c78e0b4-72f7-4b63-9845-fbab07cdd60f 2008-02-09T20:32:55Z 2008-02-09T20:32:55Z

<div> <br/>It is almost that time of year when the virtues of monogamous love <br/>are celebrated and exalted everywhere. <br/> <br/>It therefore seems the perfect time to hock the book my friend brings out every year at Valentine's Day. <br/> <br/>If ever there was a holiday designed to exalt the glory of monogamous <br/>romantic love, Saint Valentine's day would be it. <br/> <br/>But if you look just a little bit below the surface - examine the <br/>ancient poetry, imagery and "sacred literature" associated with Saint <br/>Valentine's Day, you quickly discover that before "Saint" Valentine's <br/>Day became dedicated to the glorification of monogamous love, it was <br/>about celebrating forms of love that were much freer, more open, more <br/>spontaneous and more expansive than monogamy. <br/> <br/>Most contemporary people think of Cupid shooting each person in the <br/>heart with ONE of his arrows as something that causes them to fall in <br/>love with ONE specific person. But in earlier centuries, Cupid often <br/>shot two, three or more arrows into the same person's heart, thereby <br/>causing that person to "fall in love" with more than one person <br/>simultaneously. <br/> <br/>Modern Valentine's Day images usually depict only ONE Cupid. But <br/>until recently, it was assumed there were numerous Cupids out there - <br/>whole throngs, armies, and flocks of them, each one shooting multiple <br/>arrows at people's hearts. Each of these Cupids had several different <br/>kinds of arrows, each of which created a different kind of "love." <br/>Some arrows created an very intense and physically-based sexual <br/>attraction. Other kinds of arrows caused more of an emotionally- based <br/>passion, while still others created a very intellectual type of <br/>attraction. Depending on how many arrows a person was shot with, <br/>which kinds of arrows a person was hit with and which part of their <br/>body was struck with the arrows, people could be made to <br/>simultaneously "fall in love" with many different people all at the <br/>same time, each one in a slightly different fashion. <br/> <br/>Most other popular symbols of Valentine's day, including <br/>the "Valentine" shaped heart, red roses, and even chocolate belonged <br/>to non-monogamous traditions of love, sexuality and romance long <br/>before they were appropriated by monogamy. <br/> <br/>By clicking on the link below, you will be able to preview the first <br/>eleven pages of this book, free and for no obligation. <br/> <br/>www.lulu.com/content/675158 <br/> <br/>Whether such a book like this interests you or not, I hope you all <br/>have yourselves a wild Poly Lupercalia celebration. And if the mono's <br/>try to give you any static about it, just tell them they're quite <br/>welcome to use OUR holiday themselves if they want to, just as long as <br/>they remember where they got it from.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

Monique 2008-02-09T20:32:55Z http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/214d44d7-ee53-400f-9ddd-6efbd175f22e 2008-02-02T22:27:17Z 2008-02-02T22:27:17Z

<div>REAL FRIENDS, REAL BENEFITS - MY FUCKBUDDIES. <br/> <br/>I’m now 29 and often, when asked, can’t remember how many homes we have lived in over our 10 years of marriage. And we’re to be transferred again in three weeks, something that my husband’s business requires every six months to two years. <br/> <br/>My husband has been a dedicated cuckold for a little more than two years. It took me awhile to understand him but he’d wanted this even before we married. <br/> <br/>At his urging, I agreed to accompany him on visits to a video-viewing booth area of a local adult book and video store for two years. Over that time, many guys either joined us in our booth or poked their dicks through drilled holes between booths. I (usually) didn’t fuck them but enjoyed jerking’em off. <br/> <br/>Unfortunately for both of us, my husband was required to regularly take a medication causing him to become mostly impotent. So, although he hadn’t mentioned his fantasy of another guy fucking me in more than a year, I had therefore found reason to renew the issue. It finally began to make sense to me. <br/> <br/>I began dating an 18-year-old I met in a night class. After just one semester, he went away to another school so I began dating yet another fuckbuddy. <br/> <br/>And during that time I met three women friends who enjoyed going out to places like rave clubs and male strip-bars. I didn’t care for raves but enjoyed watching my friends jerk off male dancers. Heck, I did it myself. <br/> <br/>I occasionally returned home as late as 3 a.m. Sometimes my husband achieved an erection upon my retelling of these stories. <br/> <br/>He won’t openly admit that he enjoys my experiences but it’s clear he does and loves being my cuckyboy. Truth be told, much of what I do is also for his pleasure. <br/> <br/>So the third weekend before we were to be transferred yet again, two of those friends arranged a special “going-away night out” for me. <br/> <br/>Janet at age 32 is the oldest of our little group and the only one who smokes. At 5’6” she was about 15 pounds overweight when we first met. She then began losing weight until she was now likely a few pounds underweight. Somehow this thinness, along with her no-nonsense demeanor and uncommonly self-confident deportment, her dark hair and blue eyes added a mysterious façade that attracted substantive attention from men everywhere we went. <br/> <br/>Janet had something of a wild childhood. She told us that, following an even wilder middle school past, she fell into a particularly mischievous crowd in high school. By then, she was smoking dope and attending illegal street races. Often she served at the racers’ flag-girl. She graduated with decent grades. I can’t understand how. <br/> <br/>But earlier in middle school, she was instrumental in forming a sex club that grew to 14 kids. They gathered at different homes every couple of weeks. After almost a year of this behavior, a neighboring couple complained of stereo noise at one of their member’s home. The cops arrived to discover a dozen naked and partially naked kids engaged in sex acts. <br/> <br/>The school board transferred each kid to different schools and forbade any to socialize with another for the next two years. Their official edict wasn’t entirely successful but it broke up their frequent parties. And, of course, things remained a bit tense between the parents and their kids for a year or more. <br/> <br/>Janet never ratted on her two-year older brother who was the club’s only older member. He hadn’t attended that evening. Although each saw the other having sex with others, she didn’t ever enjoy intercourse with her brother. <br/> <br/>Marta, the most outgoing of our bunch, had another commitment that prevented her from attending that night. So that left just Evelyn and Janet to plan this special evening in my honor. <br/> <br/>Evelyn, at age 24, unlike the divorced Janet, is married. She and her husband are swingers and nudists. Evelyn had invited Janet, my husband and me to join them at swap parties. But my husband explained he couldn’t get it up sufficiently for a party like that and begged off. Janet was satisfied with a string of boyfriends and also declined. <br/> <br/>Evelyn is a svelte redhead with freckles and often is mistaken for a very young girl. Part of this age-identity confusion lies with her tendency to wear low-rider jeans and tight pullovers you’d expect on a adolescent student, far different from Janet and me who dress conservatively. I do that because I want to appear at least my age but sometimes it doesn’t work. <br/> <br/>Janet’s two-year-older brother long had been eternally thankful he hadn’t attended that night those middle school fuckers was busted. Although Janet and I never went to the nudist camp with Evelyn and her husband, Janet told her brother about their offer and he frequently attended at the couple’s guest. <br/> <br/>Most naturist parks bar single men but allow single women as members. The clubs prefer families to singles. Janet and I assumed her brother was probably one of their swinging partners as well but neither of us had asked. <br/> <br/>A few months ago at the male strip club, Evelyn – as each of us often had done - was stroking a dancer’s long, lathered-up dick. Janet noticed a man nervously talking with the bartender and pointing toward us. <br/> <br/>When Evelyn went to the bar a few minutes later for another drink, the bartender told her that the man had been concerned while observing her jerking off the dancer and he had assumed she was underage. The barkeep explained to him that he’d heard that complaint before and he personally knew Evelyn as an adult regular. <br/> <br/>And minutes later that 42-year-old guy walked over to our table and asked Janet for a date. We guessed he was fascinated with this apparent “kid.” <br/> <br/>Evelyn told him she and her husband were swingers and asked whether he was interested in threesomes. He enthusiastically agreed. Evelyn took his name and phone number. He has since swung with them several times. <br/> <br/>Jan’s initial meeting with the man caused several pseudo-psychological analyses between the four of us. We guessed that his attraction to the young-looking Evelyn implied a pedophile personality. <br/> <br/>Yet that night in the bar, he had been the only customer to protest when he thought she was too young to be there. We concluded that he probably denied his sexual preference and had displayed at that time an excessive fear of a 14-year-old holding an adult’s dick. <br/> <br/>BACK TO THE PRESENT: <br/> <br/>So now, Evelyn and Janet showed up at our door to pick me up for this unexplained “special” night out. My husband was intrigued and asked if he could go. <br/> <br/>Janet said, “Absolutely not, Cuckyboy. We’ll give her something to tell you later.” She said this while drawing a line down his cock beneath his slacks. <br/> <br/>Janet blindfolded me and drove us to Evelyn’s home. I asked if I looked like the Green Hornet, an old masked comic book character she displays on a poster above her bed back at her apartment. Janet replied, “More like the Green Horny.” <br/> <br/>We arrived five minutes later and they hadn’t allowed me to remove the blindfold. <br/> <br/>From their whispering, I recognized that it was Evelyn’s husband and the guy she had met at the strip club who greeted us at the door. I suspected now what they had planned. Evelyn’s husband had made no secret that he wanted to fuck Janet and me. I didn’t then realize that a third man was in the room. <br/> <br/>I was about to remove my blindfold but Janet grasped my hands and said, “Oh no, not for awhile yet.” So I laughed and said, “Okay, I’ll play along.” <br/> <br/>Amid giggles, I heard zippers and clothing falling away. Then someone gripped my wrists, raising my arms high as others undressed me. <br/> <br/>The bar guy’s voice said, “Okay, now all women are to be blindfolded.” And moments later, it was done. Someone had turned on a stereo with soft music. <br/> <br/>Evelyn’s husband announced, “We’re going to dance first. Throughout the night, each of the women will try and determine who the man they’re with might be. We’ll give points for correct the guesses and the winner receives a prize at the end of the evening.” <br/> <br/>The third man added, “And since this party is in (my) honor, we wish her luck.” Everyone laughed, including me. Why was that funny? I don’t know. I guess you had to be there. <br/> <br/>I said, “How can I guess if I don’t know who all of you are?” <br/> <br/>They each introduced themselves. The third man said in his Philly accent, “And I’m Tony.” He’s Janet’s brother, so I assumed I was right guessing that he was among Evelyn’s threesomes. A fuckbuddy. <br/> <br/>The problem with this game was that it was too easy. Evelyn’s husband is a big guy with thick hair. The older man we had met at the bar has a high forehead and thinning hair and was about 5’9”, three inches shorter than Ev’s hubby, and is much leaner. Jan’s bro has light reddish-blond hair that feels, well, fluffy. He’s slender also but about my height, 5’11”, with long limbs. <br/> <br/>Ev’s husband was the first to dance with me. Our naked bodies pressed together through the last half of a song that had begun before the dancing began. His semi-erect penis curled to the side against my hip. Evelyn was dancing with the guy from the bar and Jan found herself pressed naked against her brother. <br/> <br/>Partners changed as the song ended. Jan’s brother danced with me. I didn’t need to remove my broad blindfold to realize that he sported a horse-sized woody. <br/> <br/>His cock had swollen while dancing with his sis and stood straight out. He rotated his hips until his rigid penis pressed all the way through the part between my legs. The upper part of his long shaft thrust aloft, tightly against my groin. His cock’s large head protruded so far out the back of my legs that I felt his broad dickhead pulsating against my buttocks. <br/> <br/>His hips rotated against mine, causing the upper portion of his cock to hotly massage my clitoris. Soon I gasped for breath as he kissed me full on the lips. My hands gripped his buttocks. My hips rolled against his, masturbating my clit on his dick until I was about to explode. <br/> <br/>But the song ended and I then was dancing with Evelyn’s husband. His stiff prick curled up toward his belly and throbbed against my stomach. With slow fucking motions he pressed his dick up and down in the narrow space between our tummies. <br/> <br/>All women were moaning. One man groaned. Evelyn voice tremored as she said, “I can’t wait any longer! Somebody fuck me!” <br/> <br/>“That’s the next part of the game,” her husband said. “Keep your blindfolds on.” They led us three women to the living room’s liquor bar and urged us forward, bracing our hands against its edge, our legs spread invitingly. <br/> <br/>He went on, “This won’t be as easy to guess. A penis will enter your pussies from behind. If any woman attempts to feel the body behind her while being fucked, she will be disqualified.” None of us had group sex together before and I was certain someone would object. But I didn’t intend to protest. <br/> <br/>Janet’s brother removed our blindfolds. Ev’s husband said behind us, “Although the blindfolds are off, you’re not allowed to turn around. Only one woman will be fucked at a time. The other two women will try to help that woman cum. Each man will attempt not to ejaculate before all women are fucked. We don’t need a guy with a used-up softie.” <br/> <br/>Someone turned off the overhead lighting and dimmed the room’s only table lamp. The lamp’s bulb was red, casting a rosy glow about the room. <br/> <br/>Each woman now was in a high state of excitation with no resistance left to protest anything. Our bodies shivered as each of us glanced to the other. Tears streaked Evelyn’s cheeks. Janet’s lips quivered. My teeth chattered and my cunt steamed with lust. <br/> <br/>Jan’s brother leaned across the bar and smiled at me, saying, “Because the party is in your honor, you’re first.” <br/> <br/>My voice squeaked a weak “Okayyy…” A dickhead parted the mouth of my eager pussy. My hips rotated wantonly as it slithered into my lubricated depth. I was ooo-ing and begging him to fuck me hard. Whoever the guy was behind me trembled as much. His hot breath steamed onto my bare back. <br/> <br/>Janet’s hands stroked my breasts as she leaned to the side, watching the cock pound into me. Evelyn’s fingers crept to my clitoris and twirled in unison with the man’s fucking. Janet leaned to nurse a nipple. <br/> <br/>I forgot about trying to guess who my fuckbuddy might be. Evelyn’s slippery fingers were about to bring me to orgasm. <br/> <br/>He withdrew against my protest but another cock replaced his. This guy gripped my hips as he rammed into me. I realized it was Jan’s bro. He had the longest dick I’d known. If his prick had a normal width rather than it’s slender length, he’d have split me apart. That big cockhead though caused me to squeal in surprise as it rammed through my tender vagina. <br/> <br/>I pleaded, “Please don’t take this one out,” but he withdrew, replaced by the third. I couldn’t tell whether this was Bar Guy or Evelyn’s spouse. All were good. <br/> <br/>Now my orgasm roared over me like a freight train. I bawled and exploded, as I screeched, “It’s so fuckin’ fine! I’m a’wash in dicks!” <br/> <br/>I released my grip on the bar and hugged Janet and Evelyn against me. Evelyn’s hand cupped my mound and Janet madly nursed my breast as my climax crested and ebbed. <br/> <br/>Evelyn was next to sample their cocks. With Janet’s help, I assisted Evelyn as well as they had served me. <br/> <br/>Then, at Janet’s turn, she gritted her chattering teeth while bracing her fists against the bar. Her eyes rolled to the ceiling. As if it had just occurred to her, she said, “I assume only two of you guys will be doing me. I mean, one of you is … my brother!” <br/> <br/>No one answered. The silence, it seemed, was telling. I gulped and looked down at her brother’s anxiously long cock. <br/> <br/>Evelyn and I stroked her shuddering body through the first two men who mercilessly pounded into her helpless cunt. <br/> <br/>But Janet hadn’t climaxed and bawled, “Doesn’t seem fair! I’m so fucking hot!” The bar guy said, “You’re right. But it’s not over, Baby.” He tugged her brother’s arm and led him to his sister’s buttocks until his cockhead bobbed against her shuddering anus. <br/> <br/>Evelyn and I were stunned. Unwanted incest seemed so over the top. I was speechless, frozen in place. But Evelyn raised her eyes questioningly at the guys, giving no hint to Janet as to her next invader would be. <br/> <br/>Bar Guy turned off the lights, plunging the room into total darkness. <br/> <br/>Janet squealed, “Ohhh my gosh!” as the hot dick entered her pussy, then withdrew completely. Evelyn’s husband gripped Jan’s shoulders, turning her around to face her fucker. <br/> <br/>But in this darkness she couldn’t determine the identity of that man she now faced. He urged her back to the carpeted floor. She said, “Oh, honey, I am so hot! Do me.” We didn’t know whether she suspected it was her brother. <br/> <br/>As our eyes adjusted to the dimness we could make out only two naked forms, intertwined and writhing before us. <br/> <br/>The invader parted her thighs and kneeled between her legs. His dickhead divided her churning cunt. She returned each thrust, rocking rhythmically. <br/> <br/> The man raised his head, his body stiffened. He groaned, about to cum. Jan moaned feebly and pleaded, “Cum with me. Fuck me. Fill me up with your hot juice!” <br/> <br/>His body stiffened. Janet screamed, “I’m a’cummin! Oh my gosh!” A Philly-like accent groaned, “So am I. I’m cumming in your hot cunt!” <br/> <br/>And then, all of us, including the powerless Janet, immediately recognized that voice! Her brother’s voice. <br/> <br/>Oh Honey, that moment was so fucking hot! We women and the other two men were masturbating whoever was nearest, each hoping we’d cum again. <br/> <br/>I didn’t then know, and don’t know now, whether the hand on my hot cunt was that of a woman or man. I’m really not bi, but I didn’t care. I was coming again. <br/> <br/>Janet’s body rippled in multiple orgasms. Then someone turned on the lights. <br/> <br/>It wasn’t her brother who had fucked her. It was Bar Guy. <br/> <br/>Her brother had leaned against Bar Guy’s face at their moment of orgasm and said those words I’ll never forget, “So am I. I’m cumming in your hot cunt!” <br/> <br/>He kneeled beside his sis and pecked her on the cheek as if apologizing for that moment’s unforgivable shock. <br/> <br/>Jan wasn’t buying it. Her eyes squinted furiously and she punched him hard on his shoulder. He reeled back, laughing at his successful ruse. <br/> <br/>The rest of us were rolling on the floor in laughter. Janet smirked at her bro. Never say Jan can’t take a joke. <br/> <br/>Evelyn and her husband drove me home that night. To my wonderment, Janet drove her brother home. To her condo! Not his apartment. Hmmm. <br/> <br/>Everyone had forgotten about that “prize” to be awarded for the most correct guesses. I’m not sure who won anyway. <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

2008-02-02T22:27:17Z http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/65f5aff1-1c9a-4fa9-885e-c8f459e903d6 2008-02-02T22:26:07Z 2008-02-02T22:26:07Z

<div>My First Fuckbuddy <br/> <br/>And the strange story that followed . . . <br/> <br/>My husband became mostly impotent three years ago after he began taking a medication. I’m now 29. I was just 19 when we married and he was 36. <br/> <br/>Even before we married, he often related a fantasy of me having sex with another man, a desire I then didn’t understand. But by then, 8 years later and taking into account our marital circumstances, I began to consider the possibility. I’d often dream about being naked with faceless men, each with a generous-sized penis. <br/> <br/>I began taking night classes at a local college and met a young classmate 9 years younger and who sat just behind me. I was then 27. I’m particularly tall and Jeff was a couple inches shorter than me He’s slender and long-limbed, with brown eyes and light brown hair. <br/> <br/>He walked me to the parking lot after the first night’s class and talked about whatever came to mind. He asked if I’d be interested in going for coffee at a pub a couple of blocks away and I agreed. I lost track of time until noticing more than two hours had passed. <br/> <br/>We kept up this routine at the pub over the following two weeks. By the third week, I was altogether aware that Jeff was attracted to me by his persistent touching of my hand. As we were about to leave, he stood. I glanced to his groin. I stared wide-eyed at his hefty erection until he became aware of my interest. I smiled approvingly but neither of us commented on what had just occurred. <br/> <br/>That night upon arriving at home, I asked my husband that night if he was truly serious about me wanting me to have sex with another man. <br/> <br/>He said, “Oh, yeah! Did anything happen tonight?” I told him all about Jeff. He enthusiastically approved of encouraging this guy to do me. He added that I “deserved” some dick since he wasn’t able to perform. <br/> <br/>I nodded agreeably and said I’d “think about it.” But I’d realized immediately after saying that, I had already made up my mind. I wanted this guy to fuck my brains out. I’m not sure why I didn’t admit it. <br/> <br/>After the following week’s class, Jeff suggested that I leave my car in the school’s parking lot and ride with him in his van. I rode alongside as he drove into the pub’s dark parking area. Instead of opening the door to get out, he turned to me. I returned his gaze. He reached for my hand. I stroked his arm and he leaned to kiss me. <br/> <br/>I stroked his throbbing hard-on. He led me by a hand to the back of his van and closed the drapes of its windows. He urged my back to the carpeted floor. I unzipped his fly, pulling out his cock. It bounced against my face and I gasped at his 7 and a half-inch length, nearly twice the size of my husband’s. The only longer prick I’d ever seen was that of my younger brother when I lived at home. Soon our clothes piled between the bucket seats and our naked bodies intertwined. Our groins humped against the other’s. I pleaded, “Oh yeah, do me. Do me now. I’m so hot! I need your hot cock inside me.” <br/> <br/>He kneeled between my quivering thighs. I wrapped my bare legs around his waist and looked down at the narrow space between our bodies as his walnut-shaped dickhead entered my eager cavity. Only four boys or men had ever been inside me and those were now in the distant past. <br/> <br/>I moaned as my body shuddered. He slammed deep into my wet cunt and a billion stars lit up the van. My heels thumped against his ramming buttocks. <br/> <br/>He turned me to my knees. My head swiveled around as he entered my vagina from the rear. My hair swirled wildly in the warm air. <br/> <br/>He groaned and his body stiffened. His hot lava rocketed through his cock and spurted inside my vaginal walls. I squealed in multiple orgasms. <br/> <br/>Somewhere during the first few times he was thrilling me with his sizzling dick, he began calling me “Mom.” I immediately recognized his apparent incestuous fantasy and told him “Oh, yeah, I wanna feel my little boy’s big cock in Momma’s pussy.” His excitation soared to new heights. We writhed in ecstasy. <br/> <br/>Our couplings increased to two or three nights each week. I often staggered home as late as 3 a.m. Neither of us could get enough. I told my husband each night of our escapades in detail and those were the only times he was able to get an erection. <br/> <br/>Because I was often sore from Jeff’s dick, I’d suck my husband’s cock and deny him entry into my pussy. He never complained. Once my husband made a surprising confession, “I’d even suck his dick if you wanted me to.” He never repeated that though, insisting he wasn’t bi. <br/> <br/>Near semester’s end, Jeff received acceptance from an out-of-state school. He had previously suspected a rejection slip from that university, so this was of great importance to him. <br/> <br/>The night of our last class, his car wouldn’t start and I drove him home. He invited me in to meet his mother, a successful corporate manager who had divorced her husband five years before. He had a two-year-older sister who was away at a chef’s school. <br/> <br/>I was surprised to hear him introduce me as “the friend” he had talked about so much. I hadn’t thought he would mention me at all since I was married. <br/> <br/>His mother is a knockout, a long-legged blond with curves in all the right places. Her breasts are lovely, larger than mine. She grinned knowingly, implying she suspected our relationship was also physical and not just friends. <br/> <br/>Just a couple of days after Jeff left for his new school, his mother phoned to tell me she had come across a red sweater I’d left at their home. I’d forgotten it. Later, I would realize that I stupidly had left it lying on the floor of his room a month before. <br/> <br/>She invited me over to their home for a drink. We agreed the following evening would be good for each of us. <br/> <br/>When I arrived, his mother greeted me with a handshake but held my hand longer than necessary. I didn’t pull away. She was dressed in thin white slacks and a translucent white blouse, both of which clearly conveyed that she wore nothing beneath. <br/> <br/>She invited me to sit by patting the back of the couch alongside her. After a few minutes of chit-chat, she said, “I’m not sure how to put this without making you feel uncomfortable. Believe me, whatever happened is okay with me. I’m just asking for personal reasons.” <br/> <br/>I told her, “It’s okay. I think I know what you’re going to ask.” <br/> <br/>Upon her questioning, I admitted that Jeff had been fucking me for some time. <br/> <br/>She responded, “I thought so. I wanted to thank you.” <br/> <br/>I had now relaxed and asked her to explain. She said, “Jeff offhandedly mentioned to me that he often called you ‘Mom.’ I guessed correctly how that came about and thought you might want to know his motivation.” <br/> <br/>Her story spilled out. His mother had come to realize that her son had a strong desire for an incestuous relationship with her. And because of one recent incident, she assumed he wanted sex with his older sister as well. <br/> <br/>She explained, “Jeff has his own bath down the upstairs hall from his room.” <br/> <br/>I already knew that because we had fucked in his room twice when no one else was home. I didn’t tell her that. <br/> <br/>His mom went on, “But Jeff often came down to the master bath next to my bedroom. He would walk in when I was naked on his way to my shower. I’m sure he waited outside in the hall until he was sure I was nude and then walked in at that time. <br/> <br/>“After his shower, he would walk back to my room with nothing on except occasionally a towel around his neck. Typically, he sported a hard-on. Made no effort to hide it. He seemed proud of it. <br/> <br/>I asked how she reacted and she told me she pretended to ignore his nakedness and stiff cock. <br/> <br/>Because she was also nude, she was tense the first couple of times this happened. But eventually she became accustomed to it and just had conversations with her son. The tension was still there but it was easier to control. His stiff prick never seemed to soften. <br/> <br/>She said, “You understand what I’m saying?” <br/> <br/>“Sure,” I said. “He wanted to fuck you.” <br/> <br/>She said, “Thanks. I like people who are direct. He did the same with his sister and she told me that she occasionally was tempted to jerk him off. I understood. So did I. But I was concerned about the potential long-term effect on all of us if either his sister or I allowed our natural desire to play with Jeff’s big dick. It would be even worse if we lost our heads and fucked him. I explained that to her and she understood. We decided to do nothing for awhile at least.” <br/> <br/>“And then, you came along. <br/> <br/>So now I understood what she was getting to. I was her son’s surrogate mom. She went on to say that he hadn’t been walking in on her or walking in on her or his sister with his hard dick since he and I had begun fucking. <br/> <br/>Then, on at least one occasion, not long before her son and I had begun dating, he entered his sister’s room while she was sleeping. He picked up her limp hand and wrapped her fingers around his rigid cock. <br/> <br/>His sis awoke but didn’t want to embarrass him by making a scene. She pretended to remain asleep. She told her mom that she might have betrayed this charade because her hand firmly gripped his warm cock. <br/> <br/>He pumped his hips into her hot hand until he spurted onto her sheets. He removed her fingers and slipped quietly out of the room. She admitted her grip was unyielding at first but she ultimately released it to his prying fingers and believed he mostly likely recognized she wasn’t asleep after all. <br/> <br/>Their mother laughed as she finished this story and added, “So I guess she was disappointed in letting it go, but she didn’t admit that to me.” <br/> <br/>Later that night, as I was standing in the doorway and preparing to leave, she leaned forward and kissed me full on the lips. I held her face and returned a lingering kiss. <br/> <br/>Our groins rubbed against the other a moment and we disengaged, exchanging knowing smiles. She isn’t gay or bi, but the excitement of telling her story and my admitting that I was fucking her son had excited us both. Nothing else developed from that brief interlude. <br/> <br/>After that night, his mother and I became fast friends. We were open in conversation, over the phone or face-to-face. She phones each time her son is expected home from school and arranges our get-togethers. A few times when his sister is away, these dates have been overnight at their home with Mom’s approval. <br/> <br/>His sister has since become fully aware of the relationship and endorses it. <br/> <br/>Because he’s away so much, they know that I date another guy for sex whenever either of us feels the need. Everyone understands that Jeff and I are just fuckbuddies. But ours is a semi-incestuous relationship as well. Well, okay, it’s really a pretend-incest relationship, not a real one. <br/> <br/>Although I was never involved in any sort of sex with relatives, this ongoing “pretend” liaison between Jeff and me has caused in me a perverted interest in incestuous novels and movie. I buy both over the internet. <br/> <br/>I guess the closest I ever came to committing incest was when I lived at home. I occasionally came upon my younger brother naked and on a few of those occasions he had an erection. <br/> <br/>He once was masturbating when I walked into his room to talk about a school problem with which he’d earlier asked for help. He apologized and put his dick away. I just shrugged and said, “Forget it, I won’t tell.” The only interesting part of that to me was how big it was when super-hard. I had stared wide-eyed at his pale veined length until it disappeared into the jeans’ fly and gulped. <br/> <br/>But I had no thoughts of incest with him and I’m sure he didn’t either. <br/> <br/>I wasn’t the only one affected by Jeff’s fantasy. Although we don’t do this in front of Jeff’s sister, he, his mother and I have watched perhaps a dozen adult-incest videos at their home when he’s home from school and rented them from a local store. His mom and I once commented on his erection but understood and admitted those films aroused us. We had seen his other hard-ons in response to the videos but usually said nothing about it. On at least a couple of times, we just grinned or winked at the other whenever he wasn’t watching. <br/> <br/>All of us admit these carefully selected videos are hot. But his mother and I realized her son had crossed an important threshold when he said, “It’s stimulating to imagine but it’s impractical in the long run.” <br/> <br/>I never discuss my little perversion with anyone else except my husband. <br/>And, with all this interest in family sex, I’m just glad my brother doesn’t live in the same state as we do. I’m kidding. I’d never fuck my little brother. <br/> <br/>My husband in one of his weirder moments once asked whether I’d consider just jerking my bro off. I told him to “get a life” and he never brought it up again. <br/> <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

2008-02-02T22:26:07Z http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/111192ee-2e2b-479c-9a24-4bfb263f4644 2008-02-02T22:25:01Z 2008-02-02T22:25:01Z

<div>I'm now 29. My husband, 17 years older, has had a fantasy of watching me with another man even before we were married 10 years ago. Just a month shy of two years ago, he asked if I'd accompany him to an adult video store. <br/> <br/>At the back of the store was a long hallway with 20 video-viewing booths on each side. Business was slow that night and only a couple of customers were in the hall's booths. We were watching a video in a curtained booth and another guy peeked in at us. He looked very young, at least five years younger than my 26 years at the time. I'm 5'11" and he was about two inches shorter than me. <br/> <br/>He asked if we minded if he watched with us. I said no and he joined us behind the booth's curtain. He stood alongside me and unzipped his pants. He pulled out his dick as he stood alongside me, my husband standing behind me and staring at us. <br/> <br/>As the stranger jerked off, he carried on an ordinary conversation with such comments as, "So, are you two from around here?" and the like. I felt at first as if I had entered an alien land. <br/> <br/>I hadn't had a lot of experience seeing other men's penises. My husband's is small, just a couple of inches when soft. At 18, I'd dated a guy with a six-inch dick. Although my younger brother's was larger, that man's still seemed enormous to me at that time. <br/> <br/>I couldn't stop staring and my heart was pounding. His cockhead seemed as large as my husband's entire size when semi-erect. <br/> <br/>My husband pulled out his penis and began stroking in unison with the guy. My heart thumped as I glanced from one to the other rigid cock. <br/> <br/>Gasping, I leaned against a wall. Each watched me. I unbuttoned my blouse. They gazed in excitation at my naked breasts. <br/> <br/>The guy's eyes glazed over. He reached to fondle a breast and exploded immediately. His face reddened as if embarrassed and he stuffed his sausage back in his pants. He breathed a, "Thank you," to us and slipped quietly from the booth, scurrying down the hall to the exit. <br/> <br/>I didn't then know that I was soon to learn that penises come in many shapes, colors and sizes. <br/> <br/>*** <br/> <br/>The following week, my husband asked if I wanted that night to visit the store again that Saturday. I chewed my lower lip, hesitantly, but ultimately agreed, "Yeah, sure. Last Friday was, well, really different!" <br/> <br/>This time we left the curtain open. A guy about 30 walked twice by our booth and made eye contact. I smiled. He asked to join us and I nodded affirmatively, unable to speak. <br/> <br/>He closed the curtain behind him and my husband dropped a handful of coins into the video machine. The guy stood alongside me and I let my hand brush the bulge in his jeans. He groaned. I unzipped the fly and pulled out his dick, asking if he wanted me to jerk him off. He said, "Please." <br/> <br/>I stroked his hot and firm length. Although his face was porcelain pale, his shaft was dark with large purplish veins. It curved up to his belly. Curling my fist around this stiff rod, I gasped as an electric shock ran through my body. <br/> <br/>His body shuddered. He groaned and I pointed his dickhead away from me as his love juice ejected onto a wall. <br/> <br/>He zipped up, nodded a "thank you" and walked out of the booth and back toward the door leading to the bookracks. <br/> <br/>Two weeks passed and my husband hadn't suggested we return. So I asked if he wanted to try finding another prospect at the video booths. He said, "Sure. I was concerned you wouldn't go back." <br/> <br/>*** <br/> <br/>AFTER SEVERAL VISITS: I was wearing tropical cotton slacks and a tube top when we greeted the storeowner's son and made our way back to the viewing booths. By now, he had figured out what we were up to each time we were here and winked at me. <br/> <br/>A first-year college student spotted us as we were trying to find a newer video we hadn't yet seen. He poked his head from his curtain and said, "I found a good one if you want to watch with me." My husband and I smiled at the other and walked in alongside the guy. <br/> <br/>He talked as the movie was winding down and told us he'd start it over. He told us he was 19 and single. We hadn't any lengthy conversation with the men we had met under these circumstances. Each encounter typically had been no more than a jerk off party. I'd masturbated myself in sort of a circle along with my husband and one or two other guys and once with another married couple who had invited us to join them. <br/> <br/>But this guy acted older than his years and we immediately liked him. My husband, who's 17 years older than me, for reasons I couldn't fathom, introduced me as his "daughter." This was somewhat believable. Even then at 27, I was often asked to present my ID whenever we walk into any place where alcohol is served. <br/> <br/>Somehow, this excited the young guy more than most we had met here. But he seemed somewhat hesitant to begin a mutual masturbation party. So I rubbed my open hand against his erection beneath his tan jeans and asked, "Would you like me to masturbate you while we watch?" <br/> <br/>He said, "Oh yeah!" <br/> <br/>My husband stood on the booth's low stool to get a better view of us. <br/> <br/>I removed my tube top as he unzipped his jeans. I pulled on his rod as my husband watched and jerked off. He bucked against my hand. I turned to my husband and sucked his trembling length. <br/> <br/>The guy's voice quavered as he said, "Wow! You and your dad are really close." <br/>. <br/>It was all I could do from bursting out in laughter. I said, "Sort of an unusual family, I guess. Daddy's been fucking me since Mom left." <br/> <br/>The three of us simultaneously left the store after both had ejaculated and the guy sat with us in the darkened back of our van in the store's parking lot. After petting, we removed our clothes and he fucked me as my husband watched. He would be only one of four guys whose dicks I allowed inside me during the two years we visited this meeting place. <br/> <br/>Before leaving for his car, he asked me for a date. I turned to my "father" and asked if it was "...okay, Daddy?" My husband said, "Sure, honey. Seems like a nice boy." <br/> <br/>We had two enjoyable dates. But on the third time out, we were dancing naked in his apartment near his school when his girlfriend used her key to walk in on us. <br/> <br/>I pulled on my jumpsuit and zipped up as she was screaming at him. I grabbed my purse and waved goodbye, scurrying out the door. In this heated situation, I hadn't realized that I'd left my bra but I didn't return to get it. <br/> <br/>He never called again, but we saw their pictures in the local newspaper's wedding announcements six months later so I guess they worked everything out. He had never told me he had a girlfriend. He hadn’t even mention that anyone had a key to his apartment. <br/> <br/>After that story he had told Jeff about being my "father," my husband often introduced me as his daughter whenever we met a man there. Sometimes, just for fun, he made this claim to waiters at restaurants. <br/> <br/>We began selecting incest videos more often than most other genres while here. <br/> <br/>*** <br/> <br/>Occasionally, maybe five times total, not just one but two guys had walked into the viewing booth area together. On those occasions I was jerking off both simultaneously but had to leave my husband to take care of himself. <br/> <br/>One of the more memorable was the time that two guys nervously walked into our booth and told us they were fellow students who then lived in the same dorm. They couldn't have been more different. The guy named Bill was tall, long-limbed and lean, with short blond hair. His dick was about average size and felt good in my hand. His brown-haired friend was about 5'7", with a cock that seemed nine or ten inches long, another record for me. <br/> <br/>We stood in a line watching a hot incest video about a mom and son, a guy on each side of me as I stroked their hot pricks. The shorter guy unbuttoned my blouse and nursed a breast. I gasped, awash in dicks as the other lifted my skirt and inserted his cock between my bare legs from the back. <br/> <br/>The taller of the two reached behind me and his hand encircled my husband's stiff rod to jerk him off while I was doing those two. <br/> <br/>*** <br/> <br/>Except for that brief interlude with Jeff who had fucked me in our van, we made a trip to the book and video store regularly over more than a year and half, about once every two weeks, until the place closed down two months ago. <br/> <br/>A few weeks before it was to close, the owner's son was behind the counter and had by then come to know us and what we were up to. We chatted often with him and he told us that he and his father were selling the property because of that area's vastly inflated commercial property. The asking price would have assured them they'd never need to work again but each had other plans for new businesses. This was our community's last adult book store with private video booths. <br/> <br/>As a going-away gift, he presented us a half-dozen swingers magazines from his backroom inventory and suggested we could use them to continue our adventures. He, his sister, and parents were swingers and were swinging with several local couples and singles who advertised in the mags. <br/> <br/>He stapled his personal card with phone number atop one of the mags and told us we would be his guests at a swingers party or a local annual swingers ball if we wished. <br/> <br/>He told us that Jeff had stopped in a few times since he'd married and they talked about the "father and daughter" Jeff had met there. The store manager knew better but didn't rat on us; instead, he had elaborated on the story by adding that I had a "brother" who looked just like Jeff. He said Jeff thought that was the most exciting story he'd heard in his life. <br/> <br/>After the store's property sold, we phoned the young man who gave us his card and swingers magazines and attended two parties at local homes of his friends. We decided we wouldn't be into swinging for the long run. I enjoyed giving the hand jobs though. <br/> <br/>Those video booths gave us a lot of great memories and we still talk about several guys we met there.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

2008-02-02T22:25:01Z Chewey http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/e3d0407b-4b2c-4b5b-b919-6c7ecde9a6b6 2008-01-23T03:48:58Z 2008-01-23T03:48:58Z

<div>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE <br/>Date: January 17, 2008 <br/>Contact: Robyn Trask, Managing Director, Loving More® Non-Profit Organization <br/>Phone: (303) 543-7540 <br/>Email: Robyn@lovemore.com <br/>Web Site: lovemore.com <br/> <br/>LOVING MORE® non-profit presents Poly Living 2008, bringing together the polyamory community and those who love more. <br/> <br/>Loving More®, is excited to bring back Poly Living, February 1-3, 2008, Philadelphia, PA, with an incredible line up of speakers. The weekend conference, the largest of its kind, will feature keynote speaker and Author Dr Deborah Anapol. Deborah has been a leader in polyamory community and information. Her book The New Love Without Limits, is the most widely recognized and best selling book on polyamory around. The conference will also feature Dr Ken Haslam, major supporter of the Kinsey Institute, Robyn Trask, Loving More’s managing director, Polyamory and sex activist Anita Wagner and many others. They will cover a wide range of topics designed to improve relationships and sexual understanding. Poly Living features a balance of fun, education and personal growth workshops and entertainment. Saturday night will feature a viewing of Dr Mim Chapman V/P Dialogues, a fun and educational program on sexuality and sexual issues for both sexes. <br/> <br/>"We are so honored to have Dr Anapol speaking this year for us. She was one of the founders of Loving More and has great insights on not only Poly Relationships but on relationships of all kinds," said Managing Director Robyn Trask. "This conference is designed to give people opportunities to learn about choices in intimate personal relationships as well as supporting those who choose to love outside the confines of monogamy all in an environment that is safe. We offer people a place to learn and grow in their own unique polyamorous relationships as well as the skills to help all their relationships work.” <br/> <br/>”More and more people are looking to find other forms of relating with romantic partners as traditional marriage and relationships fall apart for many modern couples” explains Loving More’s Managing Director Robyn Trask. “What we offer is an opportunity to learn to love a new way with commitments, loving intimacy and real communication. With 50% of first marriages ending in divorce and 80% of second marriages following suit it is not surprising people are opening up themselves for something new and possibly more realistic.” This believes Robyn is in part responsible for the surge in interest in polyamory both from the media as well as public interest. <br/> <br/>See the schedule of amazing workshops and facilitators at www.lovemore.com <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>About Loving More® <br/> <br/>Loving More Non-Profit Corporation <br/>PO Box 4358 <br/>Boulder, CO 80306 <br/>303-543-7540 <br/>www.lovemore.com <br/> <br/>Loving More® is a non-profit organization and magazine dedicated to information, education and support of polyamory and open relationships world wide. Currently our 501c(3) status is pending, which is an IRS designation that will make donations tax deductible. Producers of Loving More® Magazine and Loving More® Retreats. <br/>Loving More® Magazine — since 1991 we have been the only magazine dedicated exclusively to topics involving Polyamory-multi-partner relating featuring articles from people who are deeply involved in the polyamorous relationship style and focuses on issues such as jealousy, compersion, family, sex and social stigma. Each issue includes polyamory resource listings, book and video reviews, a calendar of events, and advice column <br/>Loving More® Retreats — We have been facilitating polyamorous conferences and retreats since 1986 and are the longest running polyamorous conferences in the world providing educational workshops. <br/>Loving More® Website— We are an online resource for polyamory with information, chat rooms, forums, articles and an online bookstore. We will be adding more in the near future including poly personals, poly friendly professionals, and even online poly education. <br/> <br/>In 2006 Loving More began the process of becoming a non-profit corporation and 501c(3). The decision was made in order to better serve both the Polyamory community as well as people who wish to explore an alternative to monogamy in an honest and open way. It is Loving More’s hope to educate people about choice in relationships beyond compulsory monogamy. 2007 marks a shift for Loving More toward educating the media and the public about polyamory through conferences, seminars and retreats as well as maintaining a contact list of polyamorous people willing to speak to the media about polyamory, open relationships and honest non-monogamy. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>About Robyn Trask <br/> <br/>Position: Managing Director and Editor, Loving More Magazine® <br/>Born: May 2, 1964 in Houston, Texas <br/>Email: robyn@lovemore.com <br/> <br/>Robyn Trask resides in Broomfield Colorado with two of her three children, two cats and one dog. Robyn was never monogamous by nature but it is was not until age 24 she came to terms with being polyamorous or non-monogamous. She was in a polyamorous marriage for 15 years. Currently she has three partners; Jesus V Garcia (her primary partner and partner with Loving More as well as a member of the LM Board) and two long distance partners one of whom she has been in a 23 year relationship. <br/> <br/>Robyn Trask took the reins of Loving More Magazine® in October 2004. Her experience as a holistic and sacred sexual counselor, and small business owner, made her well suited to increase the public's awareness of polyamory. Polyamory is a viable alternative to current social norms of strict monogamy. She was the president and founder of the Victorian Manor, a wedding chapel and catering business in Katy Texas, from 1988 to 1993. She opened Robyn Trask Photography in 1990 and did portrait and wedding photography professionally until 2002 when she opened New Visions Center for Personal and Spiritual Growth which is now working with Loving More. <br/> <br/>Media appearances include the following: <br/> <br/>Television <br/>Baisden After Dark; a new late night show featuring Radio Personality Michael Baisden on TV One, Special Guest on December 15, 2007 <br/>The Montel Williams Show 2007 <br/>Interview with ABC 20/20 - to be aired 2008 <br/>Tyra Banks Show 2006 <br/>CBN News on The 700 Club 2005 <br/> <br/>Radio <br/>Repeat Special Guest on Michael Baisden’s Radio Show 2005, 2006, and 2007 <br/>Special Guest on WVON 1690 AM's "The Santita Jackson Show", Chicago <br/>Steve Douglas Radio Show 2006 <br/>KOA Talk Radio Denver 2006 <br/>Culture Shocks with Barry Lynn 2007 <br/>The John McMullen Radio Show 2005 <br/> <br/>News Paper <br/>Salon.com Article/Chicago Sun Times 2007 <br/>Boulder Daily Camera 2006 <br/>Mountain Xpress 2006 <br/>Chicago Sun Time 2006 <br/>Baltimore Sun 2005 <br/>The Denver Post 2005 <br/>Oakland Tribune 2005 <br/>Bi-Magazine 2005 <br/>The Daily Kansan 2005 <br/> <br/>Additionally, she was the key note for the 2007 Florida Poly Retreat, a featured speaker at the 2005 and 2006 Poly Living Conference, 2005 Lady Fest Out West, The Society for the Scientific Study of Sexuality’s 2006 West Conference, guest lecturer at the University of Colorado Boulder and is currently in negotiation to act as a consultant for an upcoming Polyamory Documentary. <br/> <br/>In her spare time, Trask enjoys traveling, anthropology, astrology, hiking, riding horses and relaxing with her family.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

Chewey 2008-01-23T03:48:58Z Sebastian http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/8ee778cc-f684-470e-b611-1cd5c5e0d391 2007-12-28T13:26:24Z 2007-12-28T13:26:24Z

<div>Hello all, my name is Sebastian. While I'm not new to tribe, I'm new to this group. I'm a female to male transexual. <br/> <br/>I don't want to sound or show my ignorance, but can you please bear with me and forgive me? Is it possible to have multiple wives? I'm not from a religious culture where it's permissible, but it's always been a thought in the back of my mind. And however childish this may sound, but I've always wanted to have more than one wife. I believe in equality and I know that I have to support both wives. But I also know that both women have to support themselves. Even though I can biologically produce children, I choose not to, they would have to have our children and yes, I would have to support them, also. I don't have a wife to begin with, but I just wanted to know if it's possible. <br/> <br/>Thanks for your patience and tolerance, <br/> <br/> <br/>Sebastian <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

Sebastian 2007-12-28T13:26:24Z JohnMitchell http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/bbfc42fd-71ae-4b11-a3bd-c2c165f66234 2007-12-21T06:12:05Z 2006-01-10T04:59:36Z

<div>I am currently trying to find what others think of having a traditional handfasting performed as a second marriage. My wife suggested this as a solution to wanting to share my life and my family with my girlfriend, giving her the commitment that she and I want between each other. As far as we are concerned, this is just another way of expressing a life long commitment between two people and I would like to see if there are others out there who have taken this approach.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 29 replies </div>

JohnMitchell 2006-01-10T04:59:36Z heatherlyn http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/0d38c534-ae94-46eb-a5e8-ef877442d946 2007-12-14T17:37:32Z 2007-04-04T15:32:03Z

<div>Hey, all. <br/> <br/>Can't tell if this tribe has been taken over by "cuckholding" people, or if there's still poly/alternative marriage folks in here, so I'll post anyway. <br/> <br/>My boyfriend and I are polyamorous, going on 4 years now together. He's married (legal "normal" marriage), everything is above board... he lives with me 1/2 the time, with her 1/2 the time. He and I are exploring options to have some sort of non-legal commitment ceremony, and wondering if anyone has good ideas/experiences/internet resources to share re: this. <br/> <br/>We're not getting "handfasted", since we're not pagan/wiccan, and although I am Scottish, it's not really a Scottish custom, if you do the research deep enough. So, commitment ceremony. <br/> <br/>Anyone with leads or info re: this? We're looking to design a completely non-religious ceremony, if that helps.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 12 replies </div>

heatherlyn 2007-04-04T15:32:03Z http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/a26325b0-5a8a-44cd-859f-45b829e86600 2007-12-12T19:34:04Z 2006-08-26T15:25:33Z

<div>At 24 I was spending too much time and money at a bar in Tampa but I had both so it never crossed my mind to change. <br/>Next to me one evening sat a couple who were enjoying the music and drinks and who nodded and smiled in my direction. I guess it was a very humble beginning but when I met them again the next evening, a conversation ensued and eventually I was invited to their home for snacks and drinks. <br/> <br/>They were a very nice looking couple, a bit older than myself and had a beautiful home just outside of town. From that first night I noticed the tender feelings and the love they had for each other but the cute wife seemed quite warm toward me also. In the kitchen while mixing drinks, she very purpously kissed me on the lips and I tingled somewhat at the feel and taste. She whispered, "He's a cuckold you know." <br/> <br/>Before the evening was over I knew that I had been seduced for entertainment purposes but I loved every second of it. I was more than invited to make love to this sweet housewife which made it extremely easy for me because of my inhibitions about hitting on someone's wife with him present. <br/> <br/>I watched her husband with increased interest as I proceeded to invade his private domain and he seemed to be getting anxious for more action. It was almost as though he was getting the sex himself even though he hadn't touched his wife. The deep kissing seemed to arouse him more and more as well as when I slipped her pants down her long smooth legs. <br/> <br/>She kept pulling at my belt buckle also which drew his interest so I removed my pants and made her wait for me to get on with it. He now watched my hands move up and down her thighs and across her nipples and I knew she was ready and anxious for penetration. <br/> <br/>One last bit for the husband; he must get a good look at my big tool just before I mounted her. I smiled at him as he gasped when he saw it and I proceeded to slowly shove it all the way. For the next twenty minutes he watched as I humped he again and again. The biggest excitement for him seemed to be her lifting and spreading while she licked and bit me. Her moaning and groaning excited me as well as her husband and caused me to get just a bit rough with her. <br/> <br/>And suddenly it was all over for me but while I dressed she was being caressed by the husband who was now holding a robe for her. <br/> <br/>I was invited back many times and always looked forward to watching him as we cuckolded him. <br/> <br/>As time passed, we treated him to more lively scenes. <br/> <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 11 replies </div>

2006-08-26T15:25:33Z ChristaNicole http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/dde9dd36-34c7-4fe6-967d-ed2077859ee8 2007-12-08T22:10:31Z 2007-04-05T14:46:41Z

<div>Call me ignorant, but I have never really understood what cuckholding is in this modern culture - but I hear the word a few times a week. <br/>In classic literature - where I first heard it - it seems to be a negatitive thing. The woman wants to hurt/challenge/fuck with the man so she makes him watch her with someone else by a degree of force. <br/>Is it a world like poly and everyone has their own use and definition? <br/>Educate me alternative people!</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 16 replies </div>

ChristaNicole 2007-04-05T14:46:41Z Alan http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/c953f8c6-f98c-4e86-8c02-495199b40365 2007-12-03T04:26:50Z 2007-12-03T04:26:50Z

<div> <br/>What IS it about polyamory that's getting us so much good notice right now in <br/>the mainstream media? <br/> <br/>If you haven't been reading Polyamory in the News <br/>(http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/) in the last three months, here's some of <br/>what you missed: <br/> <br/>** The style magazine of the New York Post discovers the poly scene (one of <br/>them anyway) and pretty much makes us out as the hippest, most where-it's-at <br/>people in New York City. <br/> <br/>** "Are open marriages more successful than traditional couplings?" asks ABC <br/>News.com. "That's like asking if monogamy works," replies Deborah Anapol, whom <br/>ABC News tracked down. "Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't. It depends <br/>almost entirely on the people involved and their willingness to tell the truth <br/>and do the work." <br/> <br/>** A sympathetic religion reporter looks at religion and spirituality among <br/>polys for the Religion News Service. Yes, we do have good church-going <br/>Christians. <br/> <br/>** The Shifting Meaning of the Word Polyamory: "When a concept goes mass-market it often gets cheapened and <br/>degraded. Even the most wonderful trend is liable to turn sour on going <br/>downmarket, much to its originators' dismay...." <br/> <br/>** Songs of Polyamory, including Penelope Swales, Gaia Consort, and the new one <br/>making the rounds, "My Boyfriend's Girlfriend Isn't Me." <br/> <br/>** A trans-queer triad bare their lives to a diet-and-gossip magazine. The <br/>story (at least the writer's unedited version) is a heart-warmer. <br/> <br/>** "Dear Margo," a top newspaper advice columnist, got a bit snarky toward <br/>polys, heard from many of us in reply, and as a result, came back with an <br/>apologetic and wonderfully good piece educating middle America. Your great-aunt <br/>in Oshkosh may be thinking a little better of you after reading it. <br/> <br/>** Leaders of Loving More say their stuff for an hour on Rev. Barry Lynn's talk <br/>show. (Listen to the mp3.) <br/> <br/>** A parenting magazine offers a sweet account of a tightly knit triad raising <br/>their young daughter: "And Baby Makes Four". <br/> <br/>** All of which prompted a major essay analyzing the "strange credibility of <br/>polyamory" across a surprising swath of mainstream culture. Exactly why are we <br/>doing so well right now, and when does the backlash happen? <br/> <br/>Plus: poly in South Africa and Germany; veto power as the nuclear option; poly <br/>rules that couples use (or not); more on open marriage, including a new book in <br/>the works and a poly couple daring to appear on Oprah Winfrey.... <br/> <br/>------------------ <br/> <br/>Here's the site: http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/. The 10 most recent items <br/>are up front. Look in the recent monthly archives for more. The archives are <br/>also sorted by subject and, in some cases, location. I've done 169 of these <br/>reports in the last two years; have fun browsing. <br/> <br/>Cheers, <br/> <br/>Alan <br/> <br/>P.S.: If you’re on LiveJournal, you can friend an LJ feed for the site: <br/>http://syndicated.livejournal.com/polymedia</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

Alan 2007-12-03T04:26:50Z jim http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/34a1c71d-8816-4d07-9292-5236627b8ea3 2007-11-23T18:59:34Z 2005-12-19T15:48:53Z

<div>When my wife is with a sex partner I am rarely if ever present..She "dates" on her own...She chooses her partners and they must ask her not me if they can bed her....I am wondering how many men are not present and how many women see sex partners without the husband being present...I have watched but she has told me this tends to inhibit her and since it is for her pleasure and really not mine neither of us want her to be inhibited. Would be interested in hearing from others on this subject..</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 66 replies </div>

jim 2005-12-19T15:48:53Z wildsagexo http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/e7775afb-95c1-4178-b013-8068fb8e0d15 2007-11-21T22:22:15Z 2007-11-19T05:31:26Z

<div>My bf and I are getting married next year, and we're both pretty excited about it. We are also in an open relationship. I do not want that to change, but I'm feeling a little awkward about dating and planning a wedding at the same time.......does anyone have any ideas about how I can deal with this?</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 7 replies </div>

wildsagexo 2007-11-19T05:31:26Z http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/b8f0698d-e731-4703-898b-aa3603a4ff13 2007-10-21T17:30:39Z 2007-09-16T19:42:52Z

<div>(Forgive me if this has been discussed here before): <br/> <br/>This is an arrangement Heinein talks about, particularly in "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" and in "Friday." It seems to be an arrangement where you have a principle couple, who adds another person, and a little later adds another, and then another, until they pass away. Then the oldest male and oldest female become the primaries, and the addition continues along over time, amassing both new lovers but also children, and wealth. In Heinlein's universe, some of these marriages are 100s of years old, and have amassed enormous amounts of wealth over time, with the ability to send their children through college and take care of any member's needs from cradle to grave. <br/> <br/>Seems like an ideal lifestyle to me. Any thoughts? Does anyone know of any such groups in the real world?</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 4 replies </div>

2007-09-16T19:42:52Z Chewey http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/06c67599-65b5-43e4-80b8-ca317effb7d7 2007-08-09T07:29:30Z 2007-08-08T19:39:55Z

<div>I know I haven't posted in here for a very long time, but new developments have happened and I felt I should share this. This is shared with permission from Loving More. Feel free to forward this message along to all you can think of. <br/> <br/>Message: ---- <br/> <br/>Loving More® is currently talking with Pilgrim Films about a polyamory reality show. Personally, I am not fond of reality shows but they are big right now and, like it or not, there will be reality shows on the subject. As a community we have the ability to influence how we are represented. By working together we can have an effect. Loving More is currently working with a few people within the poly community willing to do media appearances but we need more diversity. <br/> <br/>This show is important. As of now they are looking for people who represent the majority of society; a family, raising kids in suburbia or some type of middle class poly folk. I know that many of us do not exactly fall in this category and some even resent that they are looking for that, but I am asking all of us to look at this as an opportunity to educate people in a real way. Poly people come in all shapes, orientations and classes of weirdness but if we want the public to take this movement seriously and make progress toward changing attitudes, then we need to help the average person open their mind. This is important for all of us who may have jobs, kids, family or other matters that can be affected by our choice of polyamory as a lifestyle. There are many poly people out there living in suburbia raising kids but few who feel safe to be out. Those who are willing to come out and talk to media are often not representative of the community as a whole but one small segment that many people can not relate to. <br/> <br/>I get asked many repeating questions by the media that imply certain assumptions. One of the most common is the perception that poly people are long haired, granola eating hippies still living out their experience of the 60’s, or that we are sex addicted deviants. Is this the perception of polyamory you want portrayed? Does it really matter? Only when we show people another version will we change these preconceived ideas. <br/> <br/>All of you can help in several ways: <br/> <br/>1. By coming to Loving More when you are asked or considering a media appearance. <br/>a. Let us help you by negotiating on your behalf. We are getting good at working with the media so that you are treated well, compensated for your time, and not ambushed. We can help you prepare for interviews or TV appearances. <br/> <br/>2. By letting us know that you are willing to speak to the media and what kinds of media you are willing to do. <br/>a. For this we need pictures and bios. <br/> <br/>3. Is to let us know when you here of a documentary, talk show, or other media looking for poly people. <br/>a. Chances are we have already heard from and talked to them but let us know anyway so we can help. <br/> <br/>We are not here to tell you how you should do an interview or TV appearance but to simply help put your best foot forward. Talk shows, reality TV and similar shows are entertainment media out there to make money. They are not journalists and I feel sometimes it is easy to confuse the two. We also work with the journalistic media but it is a different media and in my experience they have been fair and easy to work with. TV entertainment shows thrive on sensationalism and they have their own agenda. What we want is to take advantage of the opportunity, influence the content, and minimize the exploitation. <br/> <br/>We are a diverse community looking to change the possibilities in personal relationships, from our granola eating vegetarians to our sex crazed republicans. Working as a community we can have a real impact. If we are united they will have to at least meet us partway to get people for their needs. Change can happen and my wish is that polyamory becomes just another option in personal loving relationships. <br/> <br/>Let us know if you or someone you know would be a good fit for this show and willing to do it. Also, if you are not up for this show but would be interested in something else, then share that with us. Email us with media in the subject line lovingmore@lovemore.com or call 303-543-7540. <br/> <br/>Thanks for all your support and help <br/> <br/>Robyn Trask <br/>Loving More® <br/>www.lovemore.com</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 1 reply </div>

Chewey 2007-08-08T19:39:55Z SpeakingEagle http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/ff38e005-ed80-477d-b0c9-ca30c681eb76 2007-07-16T10:42:35Z 2007-07-16T10:42:35Z

<div>Greetings New Friends/Family! <br/> <br/>We are a joyfull sexy Tantra Poly Fidelity Family here in <br/>Huntsville Alabama 35810 <br/> <br/>We are seeking a new Wife(s) to share our love and life <br/>in this poly fidelity family of living spirit! <br/> <br/>Must be Fit, Healthy, d/d free, Positive-No Drama <br/>and Love Love Love Tantra-Conscious Living! <br/> <br/>If you are longing for a truely conscious family full of love fun and joy <br/>that is long term, write us an email and let us know what you interest are. <br/> <br/>All Super Mothers with Children are welcome, (we have children also!) <br/>Lets build a lasting Friendship and create a wonderful conscious family together! <br/>Light and Love! <br/>Larry and Alberta <br/> <br/>PS <br/>if you would like to connect with us directly today, <br/>please send us an email with your interests and some <br/>pictures of you to atkinsonlarry@yahoo.com</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

SpeakingEagle 2007-07-16T10:42:35Z Alan http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/99884c2d-26fd-426c-8aa6-f130d954c3bf 2007-05-07T00:39:49Z 2007-05-07T00:39:49Z

<div>A burst of poly newspaper and TV reports arouses Great Britain.... Researcher finds polys have more testosterone (both sexes).... Pitching polyamory in Mississippi as a choice of breakfast cereals.... A Jewish spin, with R. Crumb.... Advice columnists who get it.... <br/> <br/>Lot of stuff has been happening in the last three months at Polyamory in the News: http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/ . If you haven't been checking, here's what you missed: <br/> <br/> <br/>** CNN: "Special Report on Polyamory". And you can watch the video. <br/> <br/>** From the city magazine of Edmonton, Alberta: " 'A poly relationship is a lot like gardening,' Patrick meditates. 'You spend so much time on your hands and knees mucking around in the dirty chores. . . you almost forget to straighten up, take a look around you, and see the beautiful things you’re helping to grow.' " With a how-to guide to starting out. <br/> <br/>** "The Soccer Moms of Sexuality", in which the New York Sun gets cute. <br/> <br/>** "A Love Triangle? Try a Hexagon", St. Petersburg Times. Major newspaper does big, knockout article, based on some of our community's smartest and best-known folks. <br/> <br/>** Polys have the highest testosterone levels, monos the lowest, in a sample of people sorted by relationship status. With links to the research papers. <br/> <br/>** "I got you, you, you, you and you, babe", Times of London. Another big, generally good article in a major paper. <br/> <br/>** "Polyamory: A build-your-own-love kit". The Southern Mississippi University student newspaper dives into controversial waters. "Well Ed, polyamory says you don't have to buy just one cereal for the rest of your life... now, Fruit Loops and Apple Jacks can live in harmony in the same kitchen secure in the knowledge of your love." <br/> <br/>** "Shocking Sex Poll Results" ...depending on how easily you're shocked. <br/> <br/>** "The Loves That Dare Not Speak Their Names: The World of Polyamorous Jews", Heeb magazine. With guest appearance by honorary Jew, R. Crumb (whose French co-husband calls himself "a Situationist... an adventurer of the present"). <br/> <br/>** "In Secret, Polygamy Follows Africans to N.Y.", New York Times. Traditional and Islamic polygamous awfulness. <br/> <br/>** Liberal Mormon polygamy? Not all Utah "pligs" are exploitive cultists, some of the wives assert at various public events. <br/> <br/>** Advice column roundup -- with six traits of people who make poly work. <br/> <br/>** "Hidden Lives: Three in a Bed". British TV presents a one-hour documentary on living-together triads. With a link to the video (BitTorrent). <br/> <br/>** "Root for the Home Team". More wisdom from Seattle kink columnist Mistress Matisse. <br/> <br/>** "Sex Diaries of New Yorkers" in New York Magazine online, where polyamory pops up in word and deed. <br/> <br/>** "She was just one of the people who shone." The trial of Angelika Kluk's killer transfixes Scotland &#151; including the sidelight about her polyamorous relationship with the husband in a respectable local couple, and the couple's public explanations of what poly meant to them. <br/> <br/> <br/>Here's the site: http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/ . The 10 most recent items are up front. <br/>The April archive: http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_polyinthemedia_archive.html <br/>The March archive: http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_polyinthemedia_archive.html <br/>The February archive: http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_polyinthemedia_archive.html <br/> <br/>If you're a member of LiveJournal, here's an LJ feed: <br/>http://syndicated.livejournal.com/polymedia <br/> <br/>I've done 120 of these reports in the last year and a half. Have fun browsing! <br/> <br/>Cheers, <br/> <br/>Alan <br/> <br/>(...who's always looking for news leads. If you see something good that I miss, please write me: alan7388 [at] comcast [dot] net.)</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

Alan 2007-05-07T00:39:49Z mike http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/933ea698-3b2c-4d89-a188-18231ff1153e 2007-04-26T12:30:34Z 2007-04-26T12:30:34Z

<div>hello mike here joined tribe i am one half of a poly couple looking for a bi lady for a triad just thought i would say hi</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 0 replies </div>

mike 2007-04-26T12:30:34Z http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/b37e232d-793e-465f-95b7-00123c4bc52f 2007-04-09T06:14:11Z 2007-02-18T05:07:40Z

<div> This is a 500 point purity test.... <br/> <br/> http://www.armory.com/tests/500.html <br/> <br/> I took it with two different views what I have physically done/viewed /experienced and then again with the fantasy aspect added in. It changed by percentile by 12 percent.... <br/> <br/> <br/> Was wondering if any of you did the same what the difference in the scores would be? Try it that way and post it!!!! <br/> <br/> <br/> Mix'n</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net">Alternative Marriage</a> - 10 replies </div>

2007-02-18T05:07:40Z kirk http://alternatemarraiges.tribe.net/thread/8f93be98-14d3-48e4-bbaa-3725d5465e06 2007-04-04T18:37:04Z 2007-04-03T21:12:46Z

<div> <br/> <br/>......is bliss. I'm 28 years old, good looking; girls like me, i get a lot of flirts. I'm cute and sweet, young enough and all... I could live differently, I could skip cuckolding forever, I could say "don't do this to me", "i can't live with it", i could say "be monogomous to me". <br/> <br/>Okay obviuosly i just got bit bad by the cuckolding bug and let my mind go swimming in it alas! its been so long since i had the honor of keeping such a happily pleased woman in the house, tending her nest, waiting on her every word, mind empty to anything except every single word that came out of her mouth, alas. But I feel at home here, even though this is my first post, because I've read all of these; for once I'm thrilled there's some kind of clientel control; on the internet there's too much junk, useless stuff; i've looked for a good forum for a long time and every time i'd read a new one, it was the same: the same made up stories, the same guys pretending to be girls, pretending to "confess", and it was always the same words. But even though I'm permanantly turned off from reading posts by (wannabe) cuckold men who just rehash some story they read, - even despite that i feel at home among the "fellas" here, if that's what we are. You are the real guys too, you've been through just exactly what I've been through, you really have something to say. I wonder what there is to say for us, we odd little cuckolds, men with little dicks whose wives sleep with younger, hotter men, men who can really fuck and make us see our limitations there in front of us. <br/> <br/>What can we say indeed? What are we, we are something indeed, no other guys like us, but what are we famous for... being lousy in bed ha ha, but we're "strong in ourselves" even if we can't all fuck. Mmm. Where am I now... BITTEN by the bug. Ahhh, cuckolding. <br/> <br/>My wife is forty-three now, I'm twenty eight. Was 24 when she first got me that night, we're a Domme and sub. I was a cuck before i even knew it, but she told me about that afterwards... right away, it was. The fi