Handfasting as a second marriage

topic posted Mon, January 9, 2006 - 8:59 PM by  John M
I am currently trying to find what others think of having a traditional handfasting performed as a second marriage. My wife suggested this as a solution to wanting to share my life and my family with my girlfriend, giving her the commitment that she and I want between each other. As far as we are concerned, this is just another way of expressing a life long commitment between two people and I would like to see if there are others out there who have taken this approach.
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John M
SF Bay Area
  • Re: Handfasting as a second marriage

    Tue, January 10, 2006 - 10:42 AM
    I have a dream of this with my lover... I feel it'd be totally appropriate if everything fowed in that direction. I know I could totally commit on a heart level with him and my current hubby. Sexual fun could still be shared with others, but I'm feeling my in-loveness satisfied with my two gorgeous men.
    • Re: Handfasting as a second marriage

      Mon, January 16, 2006 - 2:10 AM
      It is good to know that someone else is in the same or similar situation. ( I am the wife) It is hard to find people around here in that type of situation too.
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        Re: Handfasting as a second marriage

        Wed, January 18, 2006 - 8:38 AM
        I may be ignorant but could someone tell me what handfasting is? It's a term I have not heard of
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          Wed, January 18, 2006 - 8:47 AM
          It's a traditional form of ceremony from the Rennaisance Era where two people took part to live and husband and wife for a year and a day. After that time, they can choose to part ways, perform the ceremony again, or decide to get married traditionally.
          Currently there are a few states which view this as an actual legal marriage with a definite termination date and you can apply for a marriage license and have it recognized through the state. In this situation, that wouldn't work, but it the words between the two people are still the same and the feelings are still quite real.
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            Wed, January 18, 2006 - 8:50 PM
            Oh it's not pretend? Hmmm...may have to rethink this.

            Just kidding hunny. ^_~

            And I'm really glad Alaina is not only ok with it, but suggested it.
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              Wed, January 18, 2006 - 8:57 PM
              See, that is one of the things that I appreciate about her, her sense of humor. Course, she'll always get the last word in too, so I don't know why I said anything on it.

              But actually I am really glad that the two of them are getting along so well, and I look forward to this fall when we can actually perform the ceremony. We'll be sure to post a couple of pictures.
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            Sat, December 16, 2006 - 1:56 AM
            Handfasting dates back waaaaaay before the Rennaisance times. Handfasting is a ancient Pagan tradition of marriage to your partner through not only physical but spiritual, mental, emotional and religious binding. Through the binding you weave your paths together as one. Traditional Handfasting takes place 3 times each a year and a day apart. There is much more of a connection with handfasting than a traditional marriage ceremony. After each year and a day you evaluate how your life has been and whether your life is meant to be together, trials and tribulations, goals, happiness blah, blah, blah... if it's not going to work out, Merry Meet, Merry Part and Merry Meet Again, if it is, then you perform the Handfasting Ceremony again. Based on beliefs during the time of Handfasting, having multiple partners is possible. Each ceremony to one person is no more than 3 times, 3 being the magical number. Handfasting is a great way to have a "permanent" partner, yet without all the legal paperwork.
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            Sat, December 16, 2006 - 6:28 PM
            One more thing I forgot to mention. If you decide to part ways you need to perform a Handparting ceremony to sever the bond between you that was created through the Handfasting ceremony. It's like a divorce in many ways, just without all the legal paperwork.
            • Re: Handfasting as a second marriage

              Mon, December 18, 2006 - 9:36 AM
              Fortunately at this point that's not looking as necessary. Things have been going really well. As with any situation, communication is the key. But it was a nice small ceremony.
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                Sun, January 7, 2007 - 4:01 AM
                That's fantastic! I'm glad things are going so well for you guys! Just out of curiosity, which states in the US look at Handfasting as a legal form of marriage? It's the path that my partner and I are taking and I haven't heard of many states that see it legal. I wish more did.
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      Sun, January 7, 2007 - 5:03 AM
      Same thing here. I love this and dream about living with two men, with a Lover and my current hubby.
      It s also fur us the absolutely right way and it feels very good.
      Kisses Mira
      • Re: Handfasting as a second marriage

        Sun, January 7, 2007 - 10:59 AM
        Katie,

        California for one actually has a form to fill out for a specified legth marital contract.
        Right now we're dealing wih things as they come and just remember to be patient as everything balances out and always keep communicating.

        John
  • Re: Handfasting as a second marriage

    Tue, January 16, 2007 - 9:32 PM
    In my tradition. You Handfast with someone you have been intamit with for at least 7 years.


    A Handfasting is for all time not just this life! Very searious thing . Not to be entered in to lightly.

    You must treat this with honor and respect.

    Mother Blessings

    Dragonfly
  • Re: Handfasting as a second marriage

    Tue, February 6, 2007 - 10:09 AM
    It's so incredibly refreshing to find someone in a similar mindset as myself and my two guys are! We share our lives, home, finances, etc and consider ourselves a family. We treat one another with plenty of respect and always take each other's feelings into consideration when making decisions.

    I have been contemplating having an actual handfasting ceremony with one of them (already legally married to the other). Mind you we have already expressed a lifelong committment with one another, I guess I just want something to make it "official" and celebrate that committment.

    I posted a request in another tribe for help planning this in Michigan and only got one response that basically stated we didn't need an official Pagan clergy since it's not legal anyway. Said that we could self-officiate. I think it's a neat idea to fall back on, but I think I really wanted something a little more "official" even if it was private--just us and the Pagan clergy member.
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      Tue, February 6, 2007 - 2:41 PM
      Well you can find a Pagan, or go to a Renn Faire and have it done there as well. We had our handfasting done by one of our friends at faire (in between our shifts no less). I basically wrote the ceremony and she tweaked it to make it better. I know there are some nice faires in Michigan, but can't remember where exactly in Michigan. >_< Any way I am start to babble a bit so I will stop. Good luck in getting the handfasting! It really is a nice experience even if you already have the commitment.
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    Re: Handfasting as a second marriage

    Thu, February 15, 2007 - 11:35 PM
    I'm responding to this without review of others responses as I find this questions best answered this way... I am Pagan, married and monogamous in our relationship. A hand-fasting is a beautiful thing, it has nothing to do with laws, it has the heart, but of the individuals involved. You are obviously in an open marriage, and as of yet hand-fastings are not, as of yet recognized as legal marriages. Yes it can bring a union to your wife, girlfriend and her family. I understand that, but want to make you aware again, and this may be redundant that the gal you handfast with is still not recognized. I know legality may be a bitch but I hope that you have enough love for her and her family to include her and her family in someway, whether it be life insurance, or 401K.
    If you want info as far as Trad or suggestions options as far as the handfasting goes, shoot me and email as I have plenty of ideas. Especially when it comes to the gifts and this not being mongamous. There are plenty of things I can suggest.

    Mix'n
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      Fri, February 16, 2007 - 8:58 AM
      Actually you can have a handfasting recognized as a legal marriage, at least in California. I am unaware of what the legal standings are in Colorado, but it is possible that there are little legal loopholes that fall under the year and a day clause as well. Unfortunately our handfasting cannot be recognized due to other legal implications that we are well aware of. This is more of a spiritual union, recognized by all three partners involved.
      Speaking historically, a handfasting was more of what we would now consider and engagement, a promise to look at compatability of two partners for a period of time, generally a year and a day. This allowed for a morepermanent marriage to occur if both parties are agreeable. As a family, we are more interested in the historical version than of current practices, as a lot of our lives revolve around historical re-enactments. We are not against the evolution of the ceremony and all of it's incarnations and religious viewpoints. The acceptance and acknoledgement that Paganism has received in the past 20 years has led to a greater understanding of nature and it's role in religion.
      As for insurance and medical, there are ways to work around these things, which we are visiting as the need arises. Life insurance and wills do not ask for relationship to recipient, and health insurance is more often provided by individual work or school, as opposed to blanket insurance for whole families.
      Our union was performed with a select group of friends and family present, to express our love for each other. Everyone who was involved in the ceremony is well aware of the lack of legal forms, and was with us to show their support and happiness in our expressing our love. To us, this is a true union and it did not require the legalities that our country seems to think are necessary. Of course I also beleive that marriage does not require one man and one woman either.
      Living in California does have it's advantages towards openness.
      On a side note, is the Rennaisance Faire still happening at the same place in the summer? I was there a few years ago and that was such a gorgeous area.
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        Re: Handfasting as a second marriage

        Fri, February 16, 2007 - 2:48 PM
        "On a side note, is the Rennaisance Faire still happening at the same place in the summer? I was there a few years ago and that was such a gorgeous area."
        Yes, as it has permanent structures there. Just went last year.


        Mix'n
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          Fri, February 16, 2007 - 4:18 PM
          Nice, I must say that the buildings there were gorgeous, plus the nightly lightning storms. Too bad the year I went, the swings were struck by lightning during hours.
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            Re: Handfasting as a second marriage

            Sat, February 17, 2007 - 9:40 PM
            Don't even start me on lightening storms!!! I love the energy and would sit in of all things a metal doorway in the apartments I stayed in Texas just to watch the shades of blue, pink, and purple strike!!!
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        Thu, December 20, 2007 - 10:12 PM
        I just had a hand fasting in april with my primary partner it is my first marriage and what I consider my true marriage. I dont believe in marrying the state but I found a hand fasting a beautiful way to bond even further with our commitment to our love and lives.

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