Hey, all.

Can't tell if this tribe has been taken over by "cuckholding" people, or if there's still poly/alternative marriage folks in here, so I'll post anyway.

My boyfriend and I are polyamorous, going on 4 years now together. He's married (legal "normal" marriage), everything is above board... he lives with me 1/2 the time, with her 1/2 the time. He and I are exploring options to have some sort of non-legal commitment ceremony, and wondering if anyone has good ideas/experiences/internet resources to share re: this.

We're not getting "handfasted", since we're not pagan/wiccan, and although I am Scottish, it's not really a Scottish custom, if you do the research deep enough. So, commitment ceremony.

Anyone with leads or info re: this? We're looking to design a completely non-religious ceremony, if that helps.
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  • I wish I could help you. In kind of the same position even though we are Pagan I realized that handfasting is only supposed to last a year and a day and we want a ceremony that means a lifetime, just like a marriage.

    The last time I posted about this I got very little advice. Maybe there's a fresh crop of people in here on tribe since the last time I asked, so I will sit back and hope for great answers with you.
    • Ok, here's my spin on handfasting. I understand and have read all the original history behind it. And as you know Maiya, this is what my guy and I chose to do last year.
      My feeling on it though, is that it was not an agreement for a year and a day. My friend, who preformed the ceremony, and I rewrote a great majority of the ceremony. So even though it was based on a handfasting, it was in fact a marriage or joining ceremony. We reworded it, to where the commitment was for "As long as love lasts." My friend also added that if we ever should wish to part ways in that relationship, we'd still remain holding hands as friends, because that has always been the agreement between.

      It really all depends on the mindset of the two going into it. Every "legal" marriage ceremony doesn't last for as long as it says, so why should something else not last longer than the original intention?

      I found it more, real or fulfilling, I suppose is the word, with writing my own ceremony.

      Just my .02.
      • Hi there!
        I have been handfasted to a wonderful partner for the last 7 years. This year will be our eigth knot tying. (I'm Scottish too and like that part)
        I do have some Pagan slants to my beliefs, but what makes any ceremony important and real is your belief in it. It does not have to be any ones formula, or one someone has written down two hundred years ago.
        We use two beads that were given to us while traveling during the adventure that brought us together. Each year - May Day for us - we pull out the beads and other special things to us and go camping. We usually do the handfasting over night - set up camp and lay out a workspace. When we are done eating and wandering we use a long silk cord to connect one of our wrists to one of the others with the beads hanging in the middle. We then discuss the good and bad aspects of our last year together and make changes. It is a free and open space where we can completely be honest with one another. When we reach the new terms of our relationship we consummate the deal ;) and go to sleep. In the morning we cut the cord from our wrists and tie the beads tight together. At this point it is ball of shimmery silk with just a couple holes in it.
        We have been invited to do the ritual publically at parties by several of our friends, but have decided to keep it private at this point b/c every year we are making changes, sometimes very dramatic. I feel that having an audience may make me not talk about some super private issues that need to come up during a ritual like this.
        Good luck and I am looking forward to hearing about your experience! Congratulations on living the dream!
        • I really like your approach Christa. My partner and I have been together for 4 years and have been considering some form of commitment ceremony. Simultaneously, we have been exploring ways to improve our communication, especially about emotional and spiritual topics that may not come up in day to day life. Some people swear by the idea that a good relationship is hard work. Others insist that a good relationship should never be work. I fall somewhere in between these two extremes. In my experience moving forward in any relationship can take a little work, but that work can also be fulfilling, even joyous. Why not find ways to celebrate your growth and the energy you put into your relationship? The ritual that you do with your partner struck me because it contributes to the relationship in a real way. To me that has always been one of the silliest things about "traditional" marriage ceremonies: most don't seem to do that much for the people involved (though I do need new kitchen crap pretty bad...).

          Jamie
        • I enjoyed your version of a ceremony. My wife and myself are checking into getting a divorce, just to help me receive better benefits from the government, so basically will not be married on paper, just in our hearts. Reading about your ceremony struck me as something we could do privately so we still fell connected.

          Its funny how I get hit out of the blue with MS, the first 40 years of my life has been healthy then one day all turns upside down, can't work no more, and when go out in public have to use a wheelchair, and now told the best thing to get divorced do financially is get a divorce and declare bankruptcy to wipe out all my hospital bills. So when I look at it legal marriages is kind of a scam.
  • As for “cuckolding people”, yes we are, but unlike many we are a true mono/poly couple. So I’ll try to help in any case:

    I actually know a MMF triad in Tallahassee where both men had their last names legally changed to that of the female. My wife and I thought that was just way cool, but we have been married for over 25 years now and the hassle would not be worth it. If we were starting over then we would make that arrangement from the start and any other men that she designated as primary would do the same.

    Of course this does not solve any legal issues since, male or female, you can only be married to a single spouse which means that legally the second husband cannot have all the rights of the first. We are struggling with this very issue right now as we are considering a truly plural marriage and household. Sorry I can’t give you any better suggestion about a "commitment ceremony", but you might consider the name change as a starting point. Of course if there are multiple male and female partners then this could get complicated quickly.
    • >but you might consider the name change as a starting point.

      Thanks, but that's not really what I'm looking for. I'm talking more about a ceremony. I'm not interested in legal entanglements, even to the point of name-changing. (besides, my last name is totally cool, and his is generic! Ha...)
      • I've officiated at a few alternative weddings...One on a beach in southern california and three more out at burning man.

        By officiated I mean that I did the set up and preparation of the ritual space as opposed to actually doing the marriage ceremony.

        What I contributed to the ceremony in my set up was as follows:

        ~1~ I set the four points for the compass and made an altar for each element at that compass point. Each compass point has an element (earth air fire water) associated with it. The altars each encompass some form of that element. A large clear bowl of water as the water altar...Some hanging feathers to represent the wind etc. etc.

        here's a photo of the one I did at the beach: people.tribe.net/captainer...f35d61f5e7

        In this one it was perfect, as the water element was to the west and thus the ocean... During this ceremony the tide came in Juuust enough to spill into the water altar during the ceremony...it was sweeeet...

        ~2~ As guests arrived I asked them to divide up according to their astrological sun sign element (giving help to those who did not know)...Thus the guests were arrayed according to a circle that inscribed the four cardinal directions and elements. I invited the guests to consider the aspects of their element and to help hold the intention of that energy during the ceremony. This helps to create a container for the ceremony. I call it The Cathedral of Friends.

        These are the Celtic Based Elemental/Directional associations:

        North - Earth
        South - Fire
        West - Water
        East - Air.

        ~3~ Once the circle is set then I wait for the groom and bride to arrive. When they are present I "Cast" the circle by invoking the four elements, each in their turn. In each case I ask the group to turn and face the element in question. Then I invite the spirit of that element to join us and bring presence to our circle. Each element has many natural metaphoric associations which apply toward the idea of partnership (marriage) ... Examples of these are as follows:

        North - Earth - The home, Material Possessions, Physical Health of Body, Material Wealth
        South - Fire - Passion, Intensity, Romance, Creativity
        West - Water - Emotions, Change, Going with the Flow, Cleansing
        East - Air. - Thought, Intellect, Spirituality, Communication

        Again, it is important to note that you can insert whatever metaphors you wish into this part of the ceremony. The cool aspect of this is that it gets everyone present, including the bride and groom, to focus upon the elements of the partnership that they are committing to upholding with each other. Furthermore The Cathedral of Friends is present to bear witness to these pledges of commitment, a reminder that the community of the couple will take part in keeping them to their promises from this ceremony.

        So when I invoke the elements and invite them in it sounds something like:

        "If everyone would please face North. We turn now to the North and invite the spirit of the element Earth. We ask that you bless the home of these two. May their hearth always be warm, their board laden with nourishment. Nurture the union of these two, so that their bodies may grow in health together towards fruition. May the roots of their love be deep. May the intentions of this ceremony crystallize into the rock of their partnership. Let their life be wealthy in all ways...."

        (A nice pause works great here... to let the intention sink in.. then I finish the elemental invocation with)

        "I would now like to ask all the Earth Energy people to make the sound of earth so that these two feel the presence of this spirit and honor it's aspects well... What does the Earth sound like....?"

        At this point all the Earth people then come up with an improvised sound that represents the element (which if I may say , kicks ass in any number of ways

        ~~ it's silly and fun , adding a moment of irreverence to the ceremonial vibe
        ~~ it's powerful to see people reach into themselves and pull up a sound representing an element
        ~~ It's really fun to watch the group adjust to itself instantly, making a conglamoration of sound that really sounds like that element
        ~~ It's a physical representation of something abstract. In my world view, those earthsign people actually channel or "become" the Earth Spirit for that time during the ceremony. (ok ok I admit this works especially well with a bunch of burning man people in the dessert but it will work with any group. Even one that does not put much stock in astrology. Everyone knows what "Earth" or "Fire" is...)

        Obviously I go to each direction and do this for each element until the Circle is cast and the Cathedral of Friends is constructed.

        At that point I turn the circle over to the person who is going to actually marry the people and they take it from there.

        In all the cases of the weddings I have performed at, the couple created their own vows, or at least morphed traditional vows into their own languaging.

        I think in the case of creating a ceremony. It is possible to add in other elements to the experience.

        ~It would be fun for example to hear a few very brief one line testimonials to the people about to join together. IE - A woman steps in to the circle and says " [The Bride] is by far, the kindest person I have ever met" after that another person steps in and says "[The Groom] Gives kick ass back rubs" ... just another way to heighten the sense of the group knowing what two people are coming together. Keeping it to one liners makes it quick. Perhaps three comments for each of the couple could be made. This concept could culminate in a few one liners about the couple themselves: "I've never seen two people who make out as much as Bartholomew and Isadora"

        ~ I performed two songs for the wedding of two friends of mine. It was a more traditional wedding, with a few hundred guests sitting in rows of chairs. But it was also outside under a huge oak tree and there was a perfect earthen stage. So these two songs were written by me about the couple. In both cases they were also sing-along style songs so the audience could participate. In between the time when the couple said their vows and the time when they said "I DO" myself and another friend performed these two songs. I can't say enough how much that impacted the wedding ceremony. The audience, instead of sitting there in stifled, reverently restrained happyness, was hugely alive and glowing with energy after helping me sing. So if you know of anyone who makes music, having them perform something during your ceremony is a great way to both include the crowd, entertain them, and also, make a musical celebration of your union. (In my case I took the song Aiko Aiko All Day... and turned it into "Jocko...Jocko All Day" (Jocko of course, being the groom in question)... so having the crowd singing along with "HEY NOW- HEY NOW.. Jocko Jocko All Day" was an enlivening way to make a witty commentary on marriage.

        ~ Also any form of visual performance is cool. I would love to see a firespinning act where the bride and groom stood on either side of the fire so that the crowd would see the fire "weaving" their energy together... So things like that .. such as a dance performance that included the couple.. add to the ceremony by making them less about words and more about visual metaphor... cermonies get pretty "talky" so adding a visual performance helps stimulate the minds of the crowd.. keeping them more deeply engaged

        ~ During the actual wedding ceremony it would be fun to mix it up a little.. It's usually so staid and formal two people stiffly standing there... I'd like to see a "pre-kiss" where the two get to kiss one last time BEFORE agreeing to marry.. and the crowd gets to see a nice hot kiss to see how the two join together... or how about anything at all that makes the couple move .. like a short dance, mid ceremony.. or having to play patty cake... or hold hands and spin around in a circle three times... or jump up and down a few times....just anything to mix it up and get things moving physically and thus energetically

        ~ Lastly, this is more for the reception part of things, but having art supplies out so that your guests can make a work of art to help you remember the day might be fun

        ~Good luck with the planning of your ceremony~

        • Thought I would add my 2 cents. I know there are a lot of "cuckolding" people and much or most of what they are into is just too much for me.

          We are a "cuckolding" couple but we really consider ourselves to be poly with a twist. She dates - I don't. And we are not looking to just have sex - we (she) is looking for a real, lasting, deep sexual and spiritual love with another man. We do not swing - no way! There has to be a real connection before things get physical.

          Anyways - I thought the talk of a ceremony was very cool. I too am not Pagan so I don't think I want to do a handfasting ceremony but I do want there to be some sort of ceremony / committment / event that has some formality and is a public expression of our (3 way) being.
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    Hi, Heather.

    Our apologies if this blog seems taken over by cuckoldresses. It's just that some of us are also interested in polyamory.

    Thadiera
    • Well, we went ahead and got our ceremony done a week and a half ago! It was fun and exciting.

      We simply had our minister say a few words about community and family and diversity. We wanted to emphasize the idea that our ceremony was a shared event, meant to inspire and create a stronger sense of community, with love and joy. He also said some things about how delightful and sweet we both are (we didn't ask him to).

      I can't tell you what the exact words were, but I do remember him having everyone look around at each other and acknowledge what an amazing, diverse crowd we had gathered, and asking them to commit to carrying the love and joy in the room with them when they go. We all took a moment of silence then, to honor us and everyone there, then he asked if we wanted to be married to each other, we each said yes, then kissed to loud cheering and stomping, then he introduced us as "Mr. and Ms.___".

      It was just all so wonderful and fun! It really only took about 5 minutes, and then we could go off and party!

      This is what I learned from it all:

      1.Marriage/commitment is a contract that you and your partner (s) can create in any way you want. Really, you can make it all up from scratch, and I highly recommend you all do, no matter how much time it takes. This eliminates misunderstandings and assumptions.

      2.Marriage gave my relationship a certain legitimacy in my family and community that I didn't realize were possible. While I think it's rather silly that a ceremony can have this kind of power, I have to acknowledge that I benefit greatly from that legitimacy.

      3. Having any kind of ceremony involving commitment and celebrating love is badly needed. I couldn't believe how strongly people felt about it, and how moved they all were. So, consider who is involved in watching and supporting you, and plan your ceremony accordingly. And invite as many folks as you can fit! Don't forget music, dancing, yummy food, and wine!

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